Matter Desintegrator: may better to become an XL weapon for next...(?)

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hi,
after defeated Unbidden, i started to study matter desintegrator (won from Unbidden) for my ultimate generation of ship-plans and... i am dissapointed !

of course, better than Plasma/Laser/Disruptor...
but always overwhelmed by Gauss(S&M) & KinethicArt(L) for the most part... (enough to continue to favorize Kinethic, even after get "the famous MD from Unbidden" !)

honestly, thats frustrating/dissapointing coz, again (i posted a thread about rebalance XL weapons 2weeks ago where i said the same concerning XL weapons and tremendous advantage M&G Canons have compared with others... such then there is no choice, there too, its too obvious to have to choose ! ...etc), Kinethic weapons stay the unique real sensed choice for efficency...
here we can maybe think to share M&S slots between MD & Gauss (something like MD33% - Gauss66%).
but L slot let no chance to MD: KinethicArt prevails easally !

so, am i the only one to think a such obvious lack of balance between weapon classes is a real issue ?
i mean, WITHOUT MOD !
...modding, imo, should be used to extend or precise or alterate to personal tastes, or specific RP, each specific player would like to implement... NOT to fix basic elementary balance issue between each classes of weapons !

in Azimov, Tachyon2 played this role compared with other weapons.
since 1.3, in facts, its worse ! :(
...its all the Kinethic Weapon class who play this role and largely overwhelm other weapons...
thats a true problem and a mystake for me.
entertainment should allow and drive naturaly players to have a tough choice to do between weapons, each having assets compared with others, etc, etc...

well, i will stop to growl about that (lol)...:mad: its just to say... ;)

but concerning specificly MD, before get it from Unbidden, i hoped longer XL slots could be concerned by.
unfortunatly, i get confirm here, its not the case (in a sens its not a drama, except when we start to integrate the issue concerning Gauss within !).

and so now, after unlocked MD (and after my little investigation to use them well), i really asking myself if that shouldnt be better to simply make the MD an XL weapon...?
(with or without maintain it as SML slots in the same time, that can be an other question to ask just next...? after all, its a very specific weapon, different than classic Plasma/Lasers/Railguns/AutoCanon/Missiles/SawrmMissiles/Flak/etc
...no reason to say about MD: "its SML or XL, only, not both". it could be an expection and the unique weapon able to be used in 4 sizes of slots...)


what u think about ?
am i the only one to dislike this tremendous advance Kinethics have and think its a mystake against own intrest of a balanced game ? (such then Kinethics drive us to deny the others soon as we can !)

and the other question concerning, specificly, "XL for MD": intrested or not about it ?

thx for reading,
cya

ps: dont take count of ship plan in 3 screenies (and mounts used or other modules there, etc), its just to show stats of MD in 3 slot sizes. (y)

++ :)
 

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I did the math on all end-level weaponry for all slots & sizes and here is what I came up with:

Assuming:
* Ignoring Shield Pen completely (= assume shield is depleted by time ship dies)
* Total Shield life = ship HP
* No HP/shield improvement techs


Matter Disintegrator (MD) is better than Plasma, even against 90% Armor targets.
MD is better than Gauss, except in Small slot vs Corvettes (due to Shield dmg & no armor)
MD is equal in damage to Autocannon. It has better range vs the Autocannon being slightly better vs Corvettes due to Tracking/Accuracy
Flak is still better in damage, but I might need to recheck the values ingame, because it seems OP in my math (23-67 dmg per 2.8 days, 75% acc, 50% tracking & more range than an autocannon)

Overall, MD fits perfectly as an upgrade to Plasma and even replaces Gauss for me, while I stick to Flak in Medium slots for the PD/anti-Corvette value
 

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MD is better than Gauss, except in Small slot vs Corvettes (due to Shield dmg & no armor)

the issue is, if MD is already not intresting vs KinethicArt for L slot, and in the same time vs Gauss for S slot...that starts to limit his "famous intrest to be an ultimate weapon to unlock from Unbidden"... u see ? :)
there is also secondary aspects like some range more for Gauss and also power consumption less (wich can have an impact and be a credible asset in player's decision when u try to reach optimal power... like in BBs for exemple, where only L slots are dispo to put shields & reactors, wich limit moving marge to reach 0 or +5 power at the end...)

against all others weapons, no real debate i think... its obvious MD is better than Disruptor, Plasma & Laser (AutoCanon is special case for me: usefull in L slot if necessary to cost less than KinethicArt in power and then succeed to reach balance to be able to validate the plan. but except that, his lack of bonus vs shield and mostly his lower range rate make it a secondary weapon then i use only in S slots sometimes. its a very effective weapon to short range battles but except that, Stormfire's assets must be nuanced).

but mostly, i dont really like the idea then Gauss+KinethicArt (wich can be unlocked very quickly by debris, specialy for Gauss but even for KinethicArt too, even if u didnt chose Kinethics as basic weaponery from start) are AGAIN in the run when ultimate MD is unlocked...

i also mix Gauss & MD for Mslots, depending on wich ship plans and their specific roles, but if the only intrest of MD at the end is to be in balance with Gauss for M and with Gauss&Stormfire for S slots... may better to make it become an XL weapon (MD)...?

imo, as it is now & without mod, this famous accomplishment about weaponery MD could have been, become quite poor in practice... and thats a dissapointment. :(

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Can't say I dislike the idea, but the Matter Disintegrator is quite established and it might be weird to many if they suddenly changed it into an XL slot.

It would certainly make XL slots feel more exclusive and tempting, which wouldn't be a bad thing.
 
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