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I am a huge Italo/Sicilo Norman fan and find that as Robert "terror mundi" Guiscard I have 20+ relatives and nobody to marry them to. In addition, apart from my brother Roger who rules Calabria there is no gainful employment to be had and nothing for them to do.

Really all I want to do is keep my sons in land, my daughters married off and maybe Roger and his offspring playing ball. I am not sure whether getting rid of the few Norman barons I have that I am not related to and replacing them with family is a good move in the long run.

How do you manage big families and all those requests for wives, lands?
 

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Well, I never had problems marrying family members off. First, if it is not close family (i.e. not child/grandchild/sibling) you do not get a prestige penalty, if you marry them below your station. So you can just marry your not-so-close family to anyone you want, even nameless courtiers (ideally get wives with high stats, and get husbands with high stats to marry matrinlineal in order to get something out of it).
The land issue, well I don't know. If you have spare titles, give them to your sons first to avoid the unlanded sons prestige hit. Or you can try to marry them to rulers; you will eventually get a ruler somewhere of your dynasty AND the son leaves your court and you don't have the unlanded son prestige penalty anymore. Of course, they might have a claim on your title, and you might geht into trouble because of it later... thats what happened to me several times.

Married my brother (or younger son? Don't remember) to a duchess. Some time later, my nephew/kinsman (now duke) declares war because he has a claim on my title ;)
 

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Firstly, I don't worry about the size of the gene pool, but that's a personal decision. Daughters are incredibly useful for improving your council. Marry them matrilineally to the men with the best stats in their class so that they come to your court, keeping in mind that men with strong claims to an inheritance won't go for it. As for the men, marry your heir high and the rest to fit their place - Rule #1: Never trust your relatives. There are more options than show up via the ring-icon character screen marriage menu, the game just doesn't consider them good matches. You might, however, in special cases, so if you have trouble getting married just do a character search for suitable matches.

Be very, very careful with land grants. The last time I tried playing Apulia was in the demo, but I recall unifying southern Italia and then having the western half of my provinces revolt because I'd made too many land grants to the wrong people. This is when I learned not to make non-inherting children too powerful. More distant relatives who like you are good, your heir is usually good (make him able to hold his own, but not more powerful than you), and anyone who loves you tends to be an okay choice, but make sure that their heirs will be loyal to you.

I've tried a few methods of surviving as Apulia, and the problem always comes back to the Sicilian Muslims being stronger than you are. For some reason, they can always field a huge army when you can least afford to. I've tried becoming a vassal of Byzantium, but they have enough troubles of their own and will take more than they give back in the early years when you most need them. The most successful solution I've found without giving up too much autonomy (HRE) is actually to swear fealty to the Pope, who is very rich and can defeat the Sicilians. I managed to grab Sicilia this way without fighting any field battles, sadly just before losing it all to civil war (my fault, easily avoidable, see above). Just keep a close eye on Byzantium in case they stay intact under Michael and want their de jure lands back.

Good luck!
 

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With Apulia, there's a convenient source of titles just across the Strait of Messina. If any of Robert's brothers are feeling inclined to move up the ladder at your expense, the Bishoprics of Cefalu, Trapani, Girgenti, and Lentini are a convenient way of removing them from the line of succession. Even better, because the unconquered portions of Sicily are Muslim, it won't produce levies for a few decades. Anyone you give the land to will be utterly harmless as a rebel.
 

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@Aulus

I actually allied with Hungary, and called for them to help against the muslims in Sicily. It worked very well until Duke Robert died, and the regions got divided between the sons of Robert - and I gave up :)
 

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Thanks guys.

I learnt early on to change the succession laws to primogen. I have not been using matrilineal marriages and will do so from now on. If I marry an unwanted nephew to a courtier matrilineally will he still be bugging me for a job? I guess so.

I will definitely try swearing fealty to the Pope. Seems like the best alternative to Byzantine/ HRE.
 

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If I become a vassal of the Pope will I still be able to become Kingdom of Sicily?