Marrying Questions and bloodline question...

[Zedwardson]

I am new to playing CK, playing with the expansion, as per the amazon.com download.


I have played a few quick games (say, 100 years or so to get the hang of it.) and in my last game, I went on a crusade, captured Jerusalem, turned it into a bishopric for piety (as it was so far away from Ulster/Isle of Man) and then suddenly, my father in law and Castile went on a warpath with me, and crushed me...


So, I was wondering, How does everyone marry off family members? Both males and females.

(First game - became king of Ireland out of Ulster, then I had a idiot grandson, and laughed my head off as my empire fell apart, loving each moment of it, 2nd game played the Hauteville family and had a corrupted save. )

Also, if you have a family member who goes independent, and they (Non vessel family) inherit, does your game continue?

 

[Galliun]

I am new to playing CK, playing with the expansion, as per the amazon.com download.


I have played a few quick games (say, 100 years or so to get the hang of it.) and in my last game, I went on a crusade, captured Jerusalem, turned it into a bishopric for piety (as it was so far away from Ulster/Isle of Man) and then suddenly, my father in law and Castile went on a warpath with me, and crushed me...


So, I was wondering, How does everyone marry off family members? Both males and females.

(First game - became king of Ireland out of Ulster, then I had a idiot grandson, and laughed my head off as my empire fell apart, loving each moment of it, 2nd game played the Hauteville family and had a corrupted save. )

Also, if you have a family member who goes independent, and they (Non vessel family) inherit, does your game continue?

Hey, Zed, glad you're enjoying the game.

Family relations hardly affect AI decisions, I believe, so it doesn't matter much who you marry them with, other than doing it for successions.

I try to marry my daughters to nobles, especially my oldest daughter. With my sons, I use the ledger to find the youngest-possible girl within my culture group or realm, or those of my allies / vassals. I don't think a spanish count marrying the daughter of the king of Rus makes much sense, but I guess stuff like that happened historically.

If someone that is not from your bloodline inherits, you CANNOT play as this person. You play as the next bloodline member who has a title. Say, for instance, that you're the King of Sweden, and it's current laws are for Elective Succession. That means your son, who is a Duke under you, might not inherit, since he's not the strongest vassal. If you die, the kingdom of Sweden will go to your strongest vassal, but you'll continue to play with your son, the Duke, under his new liege.

Edit - Oops, apparently I misread the question. Yes, you would continue to play. If you're the King of Castille, and your son is the (recently indenpendent) Count of León, and he inherits, he becomes the King of Castille, with the County of León on his demesne.

 

[I8Strudel]

Also, if you have a family member who goes independent, and they (Non vessel family) inherit, does your game continue?

This is actually something you want to happen, because then both of their realms merge under the "other" family member, which you then get to play as.

I'm actually in such a position in my current game, where I'm Prince of Athens & Galilee and my son is Prince of the Aegean Islands. Once the old man dies, the son will inherit everything.

Just to be clear though, in-laws don't count, so I'd be worried about that father-in-law if none of your other dynasty members own provinces.

 

[Zedwardson]

There is a way you can search for marriage prospects without going province by province seeing if they have correct aged nobles? (you said "Check the ledger")

 

[Galliun]

There is a way you can search for marriage prospects without going province by province seeing if they have correct aged nobles? (you said "Check the ledger")

Yes. In the Ledger (between the + and - icons in the minimap), go back a few pages until you find a list of all marriable women in the known world. It's VERY useful.

 

[hgilmer]

This is a question I was somewhat curious about after reading the answers.

Currently, I have been marrying the men of my line to the youngest (16 years old) marriageable woman who has the highest steward ability. This way I can get a really high level steward sometimes fairly easily. Women that I marry off - I have been trying to marry them to people with prestige, but not really sure how this works.

If the man I am marrying is my character or my sons/grandsons, I also try to marry a woman who has no bad fertility traits and who has a lot of siblings. Also, if she has a good fertility trait, so much the better. I had a ruler in my current game have well over 10 children. We are all over Europe now. I have so many courtiers and relatives across the nations it is not funny.

As for successions, I'm using the one where your son inherits everything. That has worked pretty well. I'm not exactly sure how it works, though, because it says my oldest son is supposed to inherit. But, I'm getting old and at some point my successor became my oldest grandson even though my oldest son is still alive. Which begs another question. He is a bishop but with 4 children. Will he give up his bishop position when he inherits? So, he won't be a bishop any more?

 

[unmerged(200012)]

How do you check fertility of characters? And yes, he will stop being bishop and take your titles instead.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

How do you check fertility of characters?

By opening the save-game file.

 

[Zedwardson]

Yes. In the Ledger (between the + and - icons in the minimap), go back a few pages until you find a list of all marriable women in the known world. It's VERY useful.

That is a awesome Christmas gift! I was manually going trying to find young women! Kinda like real life...ahem

 

[hgilmer]

Only in the sense of seeing if they have a trait that grants fertility (or a trait that reduces it in which case I don't propose marriage) or if they have a lot of siblings. It's not much more scientific than that for me.

 

[unmerged(200012)]

That is a awesome Christmas gift! I was manually going trying to find young women! Kinda like real life...ahem

Lol, that will help me a lot. I was searching for women manually too.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

I didnt know of the ledger after getting DV first as well and wrote lists, man that took lots of time.

Besides, if there are not many siblings it can come either down to the fact that the mother died in birth-bad (low health),
father died (illness, in battle or simply being much older than his wife) or she had a friend, which as far as i know reduces
birthrate. I have even seen couples with each only having two siblings giving birth to ten kids, so there is a mutation factor
in fertility as well, though i havent checked the files. That means you are not necessarily lost when your wife seems to have
low fertility based on siblings alone.

On the traits, when the fertility is 9 for instance and somebody has a trait that reduces it by two, its still 7. So quite enough.
Nevertheless, thats one really funny part of the game. i hate it when my family with duchys die out in 2nd generation, because
they married women that become crazy or celibate very early, but it makes the game soooo replayable. Everything changes.
So much to control, so much to loose.
Going to play now.

 

[unmerged(200012)]

Assassinating to women from time to time really helps. I'm playing with Mazovia now, in about ~150 years my family become huge. Some of them even took control of Hungary and some smaller realms.

 

[hgilmer]

I ran into a guy that was MY family line (I began as Duke of Silesia - which I think was Polish, but I scooped up Bohemia first before taking down the Piasts) who was the Duke of Flanders. He was a great, great, great grandson of my marshal at the time who was also one of my siblings or something. Very distant relationship. How he ended up as the Duke of Flanders is beyond me, but that is what is cool about this game - you'll see things like that and sit and scratch your head trying to figure out how it happened.

When I pulled him up and saw my same last name from Silesia "Wlosticz", I think. I laughed.

 

[unmerged(402912)]

My daughters I marry to the aged of my court. I always operate Salic Law, but when I grant my sons titles they always have semi-salic law. SO by marrying the women of my family to the old men of my court i can prevent most of the time loosing the duchies. Hope that helps