Marrying Matilda = Gamebreaker ?

[BBBD316]

Well everyone plays the game for their own reason, just like everyone has different house rules.

I find that if you want to marry matilda you better be prepared to join in her independence war, still if you win and then stop the Kaiser from winning the innevitable reconquest war then you can feel pretty proud for taking on the bull and winning twice, I would say that is worth a quarter of Italy.

 

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This is a really weird thread. Starting as Leon and killing both your brothers would require you to save for 10-20 years, just to gamble on numerous assassinations (depending on how many children they have by that point) with maybe a 40% chance of success on each attempt. Meanwhile, if you marry Matilda you run a bunch of risks, from the pope usurping her lands, to the emperor revoking her titles, to the fatimids invading and making your heir a muslim etc... It's not marrying Matilda that made your game too easy, it was the worlds longest string of good luck. Whether that occurred naturally or was forced via save scumming it would be almost impossible to duplicate reliably.

 

[grisamentum]

I am not sure what was more "gamebreaking" - marriage with Matilda or killing brothers for Galicia and Castillia...

Historically accurate killing of brothers is "gamebreaking"??? That's how Castile was united IN REAL LIFE.

 

[grisamentum]

Yes, the game is much more fun if you ignore that it's easy to literally marry anyone and try to stick to people who your ruler would logically know about and be able to marry rather than marrying Matilda and then scouring the world from Iceland to Abyssinia to find an attractive genius for your heirs to marry.

The problem with doing this is that you're basically limiting yourself to your preconceptions and ignorance. You might think it's "logical" to marry person X but not Y, whereas in real life a count from your area DID marry someone from not Y, and you just didn't know it.

 

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The problem with doing this is that you're basically limiting yourself to your preconceptions and ignorance. You might think it's "logical" to marry person X but not Y, whereas in real life a count from your area DID marry someone from not Y, and you just didn't know it.

The part that isn't logical is that the Earl of Glamorgan knows that Mansa Musa has a 16 year old girl hanging round his court who's really pretty and smart or that the Sultan of Rum has married his daughter to a lowborn Irish soldier so he can invite them back to court and make Dougal there his marshal.

But it doesn't really bother me at all, I was directing the statements to people who complain about being able to do it when the obvious answer is just not to do it.

 

[unmerged(527492)]

I find that it's a lot better to play as Matilda than to marry her. Matilda AI has a nasty habit of declaring independence and losing land. On the flip side, it can be really easy to form Italy as her or her first heir. And since it isn't a de-jure part of the HRE, you can nab a ton of land from other vassals of the HRE by getting dynastic claimants. I went Independent once with the whole peninsula+sicily united, as well as parts of Burgundy and the southern Bavaria province.

 

[barny]

Then either don't use ruler designer or create a crappier character.

I use the Designer mainly to get a good name and a good family sigil.

You can't do much with the designer anyway, if you don't want to play an unmarried 90 year old guy, without any heirs.

 

[_krampe_]

This is a really weird thread. Starting as Leon and killing both your brothers would require you to save for 10-20 years, just to gamble on numerous assassinations (depending on how many children they have by that point) with maybe a 40% chance of success on each attempt. Meanwhile, if you marry Matilda you run a bunch of risks, from the pope usurping her lands, to the emperor revoking her titles, to the fatimids invading and making your heir a muslim etc... It's not marrying Matilda that made your game too easy, it was the worlds longest string of good luck. Whether that occurred naturally or was forced via save scumming it would be almost impossible to duplicate reliably.

Uhm no? Did it in less than two years with plots! I was revealed and got Kinslayer though... but it was removed by the pope in an event when my ruler was 70+ and had close to 10k piety.

 

[Beagá]

The part that isn't logical is that the Earl of Glamorgan knows that Mansa Musa has a 16 year old girl hanging round his court who's really pretty and smart or that the Sultan of Rum has married his daughter to a lowborn Irish soldier so he can invite them back to court and make Dougal there his marshal.

But it doesn't really bother me at all, I was directing the statements to people who complain about being able to do it when the obvious answer is just not to do it.

Problem is, when tempted with the Cheese Demon, most people sin

I do think geography or religion should be more influential in marriage stuff; for example, zealous people simply shouldn´t be allowed to marry people with people of other religion because it´s idiotic.

 

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Uhm no? Did it in less than two years with plots! I was revealed and got Kinslayer though... but it was removed by the pope in an event when my ruler was 70+ and had close to 10k piety.

I experimented with that and it takes a *lot* of restarting to get the perfect storm of spymasters who hate their lieges while liking you etc. As with all these strategies if it requires 50 reloads before it works then it's hardly viable in a normal game without cheating. It's fairly cheesy putting so much effort into breaking the game and then saying one element is game breaking.

 

[CurtisManning]

Really? I haven't played since plots were added. If you can reliably kill 2 rival kings within 2 years then it's no wonder people are saying the game is too easy. That's ridiculously overpowered. Regardless though the fact remains it wasn't marrying Matilda that broke the OP's game.

Maybe you're right. But it was actually easy to kill the kings of Galicia and Castille. I started as Leon with Alfonso VI. Historically, he killed his brother Sancho to win Castille because he lost war against him (El Cid Campeador truly helped Sancho on this). To represent this in the game, Alfonso VI has a score of 24 in intrigue, which is huge. It's not difficult to bribe some Castille and Galicia courtiers to make them join the plot, and if everything goes well, it's quick.

The whole luck for me was marriages and dynasties issues. First Matilda. She gave me a heir before dying fighting the Kaiser. My son Fernando was duke of Tuscany but I married him to the duchess of Aquitaine (a girl with no heirs) and she died before me so my son inherited Aquitaine who was now inside Leon as you can see.

Then, a big dynasty issue (which I wasn't responsible of as I was busy fighting the Reconquista) occured in France. No heirs left. Big luck, the guy who took the throne was Waldensian. So France was a cake, and almost everyone in Europe took a piece of it during holy wars(even Navarra took a part). I took Barcelona, and my clever son, duke of Aquitaine attacked to take Toulouse.

Five years later, the Pope called a crusade over France. I won it pretty quickly, the HRE didn't join. And Hispania was born.

So you see. Big loads of pure luck. And it all started with Matilda. Nice gal.

 

[Beagá]

Well, you did end up with an ugly map lol.

I´d rather only marry with her if the plan is forming Italy and starting in Italy as well. Then again, it´s about house rules - I think the game is way too lenient with such amorphous kingdoms and isolated provinces.