Marrying Matilda = Gamebreaker ?

[CurtisManning]

I wonder if marrying this sweet sweet girl to get her sweet sweet lands can be considered Overpowered. I guess it is. Your son will have a tremendous amount of rich lands, then obviously the way to go is to CB Venice before they get too strong. Marrying Matilda grants access to a lot of troops in early game, and makes the game very easy in my opinion. I was King of Leon, married her, killed my two brothers, and the Leon was already one of the top christian kingdoms. She helped me a lot with the holy wars too.

Matilda is a gamebreaker. But she's also a heartbreaker. Considering her stats, her lands, her army and her traits, it's purely insane not marrying her if she wants you as husband. If you don't, she'll take a Premslyid moron...

But it gives such a upper hand in the start of the game that me and my multiplayer partners have decided that marrying Matilda is forbidden in our MP games. Elsewhere we would fight each other to the death just to see her pretty eyes again.

Matilda :wub:

 

[The Bishop]

That saucy little minx. You've got to know how to handle her though, because often she'll go off getting herself into hot water with the HRE.

 

[Vovolov]

I never get why people see things in this game as overpowered (for the player, that is). The whole point of a sandbox game is to set your own rules and ambitions, in my opinion. You could just -not- marry Matilda of Tuscany and instead marry any one of the many available noble women at the start of the game. There's bourgognian noble women, normandian ones, d'hauteville ones, house Karling has one available (great catch!), there's the Salian girl, etc etc.

This game is easy enough even if you're into a bit of roleplay like me. Playing it the 'gamey' way just makes it ridiculously boring, is what I've found.

Apologies for my little rant.

 

[Grubnessul]

I've never married her, but in my experience no female ruler ever marries non-matrilinal...

 

[Beagá]

The problem is that marrying Matilda means automatic inheritance of a LOT of land. Don´t think there´s any better marriage in in the 1066 start. There are other similarly good marriages but they are usually with couples that have one daughter as heir, and soon manage to have a son, thus forcing you to find a way to murder the brat/brats.

In a game that´s already not very hard, yes, marrying Matilda removes a lot of the challenge in Italy.

 

[unmerged(462833)]

I was King of Leon, married her, killed my two brothers...

I am not sure what was more "gamebreaking" - marriage with Matilda or killing brothers for Galicia and Castillia...

 

[JonStryker]

As a personal house-rule I usually don't do it although she is very willing to normally-marry anyone who's at least a duke. It's just to easy to grow this way

 

[Deathshead419]

Good luck getting an Heir out of her when she's been locked in the Kaiser's dungeon after her inevitable independence revolt.

 

[telegraph]

I tried to marry sons of Harold Godwinson to her. Well, sometimes their sons do inherit some of her lands, but more often they end up in HRE prisons or in some italian monasteries and even plainly assasinated by their italian courtiers.

After many games I found marrying her is highly undesireable, unless I can marry her to myself (i.e. controlled character). And only in case when I actually can protect her from her vassals, neibours and liege.

 

[_krampe_]

I did the same with Castille! Everything worked out wonderful, my King Sancho the Kinslayer married Matilda and got two nice sons.
While pushing through the reconquista in his lifetime, matilda died and the first son and heir of Sancho became Duke.
Too bad his homosexual brother was anxious and claimed the duchy and throw the rightful heir into the prison.

I played with the idea to continue as the gay one, but well you know... instead went off on a crusade and took the Kingdom of Jerusalem with the most gamey tactic i've ever done.
(Assaulted two countys, one in the north and one in the south. Now evading the doomstack with boats and always assaulting the one he just left for the other.
In the meanwhile siegeing non target countys in egypt, increasing score. Sorry for being a bit offtopic )

 

[unmerged(519337)]

I never get why people see things in this game as overpowered (for the player, that is). The whole point of a sandbox game is to set your own rules and ambitions, in my opinion. You could just -not- marry Matilda of Tuscany and instead marry any one of the many available noble women at the start of the game. There's bourgognian noble women, normandian ones, d'hauteville ones, house Karling has one available (great catch!), there's the Salian girl, etc etc.

This game is easy enough even if you're into a bit of roleplay like me. Playing it the 'gamey' way just makes it ridiculously boring, is what I've found.

Apologies for my little rant.

Yes, the game is much more fun if you ignore that it's easy to literally marry anyone and try to stick to people who your ruler would logically know about and be able to marry rather than marrying Matilda and then scouring the world from Iceland to Abyssinia to find an attractive genius for your heirs to marry.

 

[Talq]

You do inherit a lot of land, but you can frequently fairly easily assemble your max size demense without getting a bunch of land in italy, that is probably nowhere near your power base. Matilda herself is probably destined to spend her life in the HREs dungeons.

Beneficial, probably. Gamebreaking? For some starts, but not seeing it for everybody.

 

[Heartsbane]

Maybe, but I've never been able to do it successfully. She always revolts or starts and independence faction that always seems to fail. The Kaiser did concede to her factions demands in one game I played, but he promptly reconquered her 2 years later. I suppose if she doesn't revolt and you actually get some kids or grandkids to inherit her lands it might be worht it :happy:

 

[CurtisManning]

My Leon game I talked about. I got all this with incredible luck (The French king went infidel + the Pope granted me invasion of the HRE) & gamey tactics.
I got some independance factions from time to time, but I accept their request everytime so I can crush the kings and super dukes and give all counties to single castillans prince-bishops. (That's super gamey) I have Gavelkind everywhere, but I make sure I have only one heir by making the others bishops (gamey again). My spouse is the Basileia of Byzantium Empire, so my son will again expand my land. I'm obviously aiming at world conquest. The Fatimids just blitzkrieg and took back Jerusalem from me before I could even move the little finger, they seem to be the only one realm who can stand up against me, not counting the Pagan hordes coming soon.

Marrying Matilda was for the best as we can see.

 

[Heartsbane]

My Leon game I talked about. I got all this with incredible luck (The French king went infidel + the Pope granted me invasion of the HRE) & gamey tactics.
I got some independance factions from time to time, but I accept their request everytime so I can crush the kings and super dukes and give all counties to single castillans prince-bishops. (That's super gamey) I have Gavelkind everywhere, but I make sure I have only one heir by making the others bishops (gamey again). My spouse is the Basileia of Byzantium Empire, so my son will again expand my land. I'm obviously aiming at world conquest. The Fatimids just blitzkrieg and took back Jerusalem from me before I could even move the little finger, they seem to be the only one realm who can stand up against me, not counting the Pagan hordes coming soon.

Marrying Matilda was for the best as we can see.

Did she not revolt against the Kaiser? I swear, she does that every bloody time I marry myself or my heir to her. What happened in your game? :laugh:

 

[FietsPomp]

If you are interested in a speedrun wc then yes, she is very useful. But this game is a solo game, there is no-one you are beating.
You can express yourself in this game in other ways then quick rise to power.
In my last game I did it as the duke of Lombary, and I didnt even need it as i invaded France without her help.

 

[CurtisManning]

Did she not revolt against the Kaiser? I swear, she does that every bloody time I marry myself or my heir to her. What happened in your game? :laugh:

She did yes, but she gave me a son and a daughter before dying in the Kaiser's cell at 32.

 

[unmerged(519337)]

Maybe, but I've never been able to do it successfully. She always revolts or starts and independence faction that always seems to fail. The Kaiser did concede to her factions demands in one game I played, but he promptly reconquered her 2 years later. I suppose if she doesn't revolt and you actually get some kids or grandkids to inherit her lands it might be worht it :happy:

Just saw a miracle in my game. Matilda defeated the Kaiser (with help from the King of Bohemia and some random Dukes in Burgundy), he struck back a few years later and all she has left is Parma though :sad:

 

[NewbieOne]

I wonder if marrying this sweet sweet girl to get her sweet sweet lands can be considered Overpowered. I guess it is. Your son will have a tremendous amount of rich lands, then obviously the way to go is to CB Venice before they get too strong. Marrying Matilda grants access to a lot of troops in early game, and makes the game very easy in my opinion. I was King of Leon, married her, killed my two brothers, and the Leon was already one of the top christian kingdoms. She helped me a lot with the holy wars too.

Matilda is a gamebreaker. But she's also a heartbreaker. Considering her stats, her lands, her army and her traits, it's purely insane not marrying her if she wants you as husband. If you don't, she'll take a Premslyid moron...

But it gives such a upper hand in the start of the game that me and my multiplayer partners have decided that marrying Matilda is forbidden in our MP games. Elsewhere we would fight each other to the death just to see her pretty eyes again.

Matilda :wub:

That saucy little minx. You've got to know how to handle her though, because often she'll go off getting herself into hot water with the HRE.

Wonder if you guys realise she's been dead for almost 1000 years.

Also, her two duchies have gavelkind succession, meaning they're going to be split among your sons along with the counties, who will then become HRE vassals if they were landless before or had lower titles. They will also have claims on each other's lands, meaning they are likely to go at it (and e.g. your junior reduces your heir to courtier). When you die as king, half of your kingdom goes to the HRE, if you're a 1-2 duke then all of it, and if you're a 3+ multiduke, then your heir becomes a HRE vassal but those younger son who get ducal titles stay independent.

It can cause more mess than it's worth.

Yes, the game is much more fun if you ignore that it's easy to literally marry anyone and try to stick to people who your ruler would logically know about and be able to marry rather than marrying Matilda and then scouring the world from Iceland to Abyssinia to find an attractive genius for your heirs to marry.

Everybody would know about Matilda and try to marry her barring people who had an idea of how succession laws work. What's not reflected in the game is that she would have a pile of CVs on her desk and not just one proposal at a time to accept or reject. On a roleplaying side, anybody ambitious or greedy would obviously give it a go, as well as Brave adventure hunters, people who fell in love with potraits or tales, guys looking to strengthen their kingdoms, guys who didn't have a binding betrothal or some other current dynastic plans. This is not gamey, in fact it's playing the game realistically.

What's gamey is if you assassinate either her or some of the sons to manage the inheritance and if you save-scum to make your two first sons with her dukes before she dies (if you're outside the HRE).

 

[unmerged(519337)]

Wonder if you guys realise she's been dead for almost 1000 years.
Everybody would know about Matilda and try to marry her barring people who had an idea of how succession laws work.

Yeah, "know about" was more about my second point where people complain that they're able to marry random courtiers from the other side of Europe.