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.Me

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.Me, I agree with the fact that inbreeded marriage should occur only in the area influenced by Egypt and Iranian civilisation( so from Asia Minor up to Bactria)

Even though half Brother Sister wedding occured between Ptolemy Keraunos and her half sister in Macedonia , it was more of a move to seize power for Ptolemy and the wedding between Alexander II and Olympias II of Epirus was more of an exception than a rule (Pirrhus had been welcomed to Alexandria and befriended Ptolemy and later bring the custom with him in Europe)

The house of the Antigonids, the dominant power over the Greek peninsula never used incestuous marriage.
You're right, maybe if the devs can make sure that those hellenic/eastern syncretic cultures can marry between siblings even outside of their cultural area, it will be more correct.
So for example I'm the Antigonid king of Atropatene and my religion is a mix of iranian and hellenic, I want to marry my sister who is pure hellenic and she reside in Macedonia, I can do that, if the king of Macedonia agree on that, clearly. Imho is simple to implement.
 

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Hello, in our timeline the hellenistic kings often/sometimes married their own sister to "keep the bloodline pure" XD (the kings of Egypt, Pontus, Commagene, maybe the Seleucids...) I don't know if there is going to have royal marriages in the game but I'd love to have this possibility. (maybe a bonus in legitimacy counterbalanced with physical weakness(but not allways for exemple Ptolemy V was born from Brother-Sister marriage and was considered very athletic), especially if it occur on several sucessive generations
What do you think in term of historical accuracy added in the game not on the ethical ground :eek: :D
Incest is wincest
 

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You're right, maybe if the devs can make sure that those hellenic/eastern syncretic cultures can marry between siblings even outside of their cultural area, it will be more correct.
So for example I'm the Antigonid king of Atropatene and my religion is a mix of iranian and hellenic, I want to marry my sister who is pure hellenic and she reside in Macedonia, I can do that, if the king of Macedonia agree on that, clearly. Imho is simple to implement.

Some Kings adopt/found new religions to divorce and murder there wives, to steal riches, to legitimate there rule or for some ppl the disturbing fantasy to have sex with there sister.
 

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Well, there are Kemetic and Zoroastrian religions...
 

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Probably won't be in the game, thank God, in the same way under age marriages aren't allowed but they do happen in real life.
What do you mean with "Under age marriage" ?
Do you realize that the "correct" age for marriages for women in Greece and Rome was 14 , 16 at most ? ( Low classes tend to marry at late teen, while patricians usually married earlier. )
The possibility to act "sui iuris" ( according to his own judgement ) arrived with the puberty , so usually 14yo .
 
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I do agree with you TomatoJuice, in Europe there is the sad exemple of the Hasburg King of Spain , not a sister-brother child but a repetitive over centuries reproduction between cousin/aunt/uncle/niece. The daughter of Mithridates VI and her sister-queen Laodice also had a double row of teeth^^

Yet Cleopatra VII and her sister were very much inbredded and where considered precocious geniuses (Cleopatra spoked several languages and had a brilliant mind or so they say and Arsinoe IV was feared by Ceasar and almost killed him during the Pharos debacle.)
and she was not that ugly XD.

on the plus side of inbreeding there is no scheme to destroy the house from within via an other dynasty (like Antiochus the great hope to do by marrying her daugther Cleopatra to Ptolemy V, but it can lead to serious hate into the family ( the most famous exemple is Ptolemy VIII, who killed is nephew and his own son from her sister, and tried real hard to kill her sister and his brother, (yeah great guy XD)
Well to be fair, there’s the strong possibility Cleopatra VII and her siblings might not have been as inbred as most people in her familiy.

From what I understand, while the identity of Cleopatra’s mother is unknown, it’s very possible that she and Cleopatra’s father, Ptolemy XII, were not siblings (though that doesn’t mean they weren’t relatives, such as perhaps cousins). Plus I remember reading somewhere that Ptolemy XII’s own mother may have been a Greek woman from the harem, so overall there’s a strong possibility that Cleopatra VII and her siblings were among the least inbred overall of the Ptolemaic Dynasty, relatively speaking.
 

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Yes, you are right Nerdman there are some mysteries about who is the mother of Cleopatra VII , yet she never had been called a bastard by her roman ennemies, so there is a good probability that she was from her mother and father both a Ptolemy (probably the daughter of Prolemy X and Benrenice III). The fact that she learned the egyptian language doesn't mean that she had an egyptian mother , it may have been a political move to gain her people support (she had been in competition with her brothers and sister).
According to her father yes, her mother and father weren't probably siblings it was probably Cleopatra IV .
 

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Practically speaking, Zoroastrian incest is a bit overblown.

Of course, it was very rare thing in reality. That hasn't stopped us CK2 players now has it :p