Marriages With Heathens and the Lack of AI sense.

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

I really think there should be something done about the AI and marriages between heathen / heretic / pagans.

I mean I just got an offer, as a Pagan King of Sweden and Denmark, to marry my 39 year old aunt, to a 12 year old son and heir to the throne of England, just because she is Christian.

But the same King will not accept my offer that his son marry my 5 year old genius sister, or another ordinary 11 year old sister.

I understand that both historically and for gameplay reasons ALLIANCES between Christians and Pagans should be very rare.. but the marriages were not that uncommon, and furthermore, there could be an option for one of the sides to convert to his spouse religion, even put it as a condition for the marriage to happen, because that was not very uncommon in medieval Europe.

I wouldn't even mind if non-aggression pacts were not formed in such cases, but really there should be more sense in picking brides than this.

And this happened with bot vanilla and HIP game, albeit I am still on 2.5.2.2 right now

 

[Chairman Noob]

I agree that marriages should be possible for historical reasons (and lead to non-aggression pacts as of course marriages between children of rulers served a diplomatic purpose as well if the rulers were of different religions) but at least in case of Christians and Muslims a pagan wife should be automatically converted to Christianity or Islam upon marriage, as that's what historically happened, at least on paper, in order to make the marriage religiously possible.

 

[thevmag]

They seem pretty picky to me. A couple days back, Christians, Muslims and heathens of all flavours were more than willing to beg for my daughters' Buddhist hands in marriage. Non-aggression packs all across Europe. Now, sitting at 100% threat and desperately needing to marry some people out of the globe-spanning defensive pact, every single one of them is saying "Nah bruv, we won't consider marriage with an infidel". No zealous trait, some of them even having very fond opinion of me.

Either an update/fix snuck up on me, or the AI is being more dynamic than assumed and changes their willingness to marry outside the faith based on different parameters. Does the 100% threat and large defensive pact make them unwilling? Or was I seemingly harmless when Buddhism's religious authority was still low? No clue here, outside something making them change their mind.

 

[DPS]

I don't have a problem with having to use favors to get marriages outside of my religious group. I do have a problem that which faiths are allowed to intermarry and which are not is all scrambled in the new release.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Can't you edit religion marriages with the gamerules?

 

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

Can't you edit religion marriages with the gamerules?

I'm on 2.5.2.2 patch still, until I finish my current campaigns.

But that's not the point. I believe that AI should be more sensible about marriages with spouses of other religions, and that there should be option for a spouse to convert, when the marriage happens, because it did happen quite a few times historically, mostly between Catholic and Orthodox, but also Christian and Muslim, or Christian and Pagans.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

I'm on 2.5.2.2 patch still, until I finish my current campaigns.

But that's not the point. I believe that AI should be more sensible about marriages with spouses of other religions, and that there should be option for a spouse to convert, when the marriage happens, because it did happen quite a few times historically, mostly between Catholic and Orthodox, but also Christian and Muslim, or Christian and Pagans.

Ah I see.

I agree as well.