Marches for Russia

[Slavv]

hi,

So I'm trying to play a very diplo-oriented game as Russia and trying to basically spread and conquer through vassals. However, I'm trying to figure out who the best March would be for me. I'm thinking Poland honestly because their entire idea set is almost entirely military, but does anyone else have some marches that would be creative to have though still good?

Also are marches even worth it or is it worth more to just have the land yourself. I'm still going to have a March but was wondering how practical they actually are. Thanks!

 

[CplKatie]

I usually make my vassals in the areas where there are trade nodes I can't benefit from. Like everything east of Russia. I don't use marches in singleplayer. Vassals I mainly use for reconquest spam and trade nodes.

 

[Casko]

hi,

So I'm trying to play a very diplo-oriented game as Russia and trying to basically spread and conquer through vassals. However, I'm trying to figure out who the best March would be for me. I'm thinking Poland honestly because their entire idea set is almost entirely military, but does anyone else have some marches that would be creative to have though still good?

Also are marches even worth it or is it worth more to just have the land yourself. I'm still going to have a March but was wondering how practical they actually are. Thanks!

if you are able to, you should make Bulgaria into a Vassal of yours, you can make them into a quite Balkan powerhouse, or try to save Serbia if you want to roleplay abit.

Another good one could be either Pomerania if you're going into HRE.
While more on the east either Korea for far east, and in the Eurasian Steppe in again abit more RP theme you could turn Yarkand or Kilwa to marches.

 

[Dominion]

Kilwa in Eurasia?

 

[Casko]

Kilwa in Eurasia?

GRAH
shows what you get when you write things up half asleep

 

[puddingkip]

Finland, Teutons and Serbia/Bulgaria are good march choices, and of course Prussia (or anybody protestant/reformed that can form them)

 

[PhoenixG]

I see nobody is calling for Smolensk. They got neva-Luki tier cannons.

 

[makaramus]

1)finland(force convert them)(feed with sweden)
2)sweden(this one is little cheesy but you can demand in from denmark in age of discovaries... perfect vassal/march)feed with norway
3)For early game a horde
4)bulgaria(yea I am cheating from someone else's respond but I must agree its good balkan march too) feed with balkans
5)Moldavia if you conquer it from poland. reason is simple:Since you are not gonna annex a march it means that you will make those lands less pleasent to conquer by your rivals. feed them where you border with your rivals and they will never desire those provinces and yes ai is caring about this modifier feed with hungary
6)BYZANTIUM!(XD) Well seriusly they are good to feed with greek lands + their ideas are just amazing to keep feeding they will hardly have a rebellion. althought they are better as vassal instead of march - feed with greece

 

[Palatinus Germanicus]

Also are marches even worth it or is it worth more to just have the land yourself.

That's the only part of the thread I understand. I can't understand the concept of having a march (aside from... role playing?)

You only do 2 things in this game: 1) Blobbing 2) Coalition management

So of course, you just want to eat them all. The only realistic situation where I can imagine entertaining a march, is Wallachia for Hungary, Moldavia for Poland (as they start), something like that. -Where you really do have a major threat right on your border, and you can use the march until the major foe is beaten down sufficiently.

I guess it depends on how fast you think you can expand. If you feel like you're boxed-in with no real areas to expand for a while, then sure - use them as a march. But if you're playing as Russia, you've got all kinds of room for expansion, and you should keep the ball rolling. Don't stop and setup a march... annex that guy ASAP, and keep conquering.

Marches are for people who are afraid, and thinking defensively. That's not blobbing... that's... cowering.

 

[TenshiN]

Ryazan is a decent march, actually. It even has the idea, named "March of Russia"

 

[makaramus]

That's the only part of the thread I understand. I can't understand the concept of having a march (aside from... role playing?)

You only do 2 things in this game: 1) Blobbing 2) Coalition management

So of course, you just want to eat them all. The only realistic situation where I can imagine entertaining a march, is Wallachia for Hungary, Moldavia for Poland (as they start), something like that. -Where you really do have a major threat right on your border, and you can use the march until the major foe is beaten down sufficiently.

I guess it depends on how fast you think you can expand. If you feel like you're boxed-in with no real areas to expand for a while, then sure - use them as a march. But if you're playing as Russia, you've got all kinds of room for expansion, and you should keep the ball rolling. Don't stop and setup a march... annex that guy ASAP, and keep conquering.

Marches are for people who are afraid, and thinking defensively. That's not blobbing... that's... cowering.

I love marches especially if they got extra core cost incrase (like moldavia)

AI prefers no not take lands cored by those countries so I all do is building a line between me and gigantic enemy. Result:he never prefers my march as conquest target and just ignores me entie campaign. this is my strategy as poland: Conquer wallachia give it to moldavia, conquer entire hungary still give it to moldavia(atleast give his culture group) and austria never cares about those lands same for ottoman

especially berber culture makes perfect march! They plunder your enemies and got really high coring cost . since you are not gonna annex march this means nothing to you so just feed them with all of their culture and watch them weakening your enemies.

(oh since title came to here: try to convert knights into muslim and make them your march... Its too op to make them plunder catholics HAHAHAHAHAHA IRONY!)

 

[Palatinus Germanicus]

I love marches especially if they got extra core cost incrase (like moldavia)

AI prefers no not take lands cored by those countries so I all do is building a line between me and gigantic enemy. Result:he never prefers my march as conquest target and just ignores me entie campaign. this is my strategy as poland: Conquer wallachia give it to moldavia, conquer entire hungary still give it to moldavia(atleast give his culture group) and austria never cares about those lands same for ottoman

especially berber culture makes perfect march! They plunder your enemies and got really high coring cost . since you are not gonna annex march this means nothing to you so just feed them with all of their culture and watch them weakening your enemies.

(oh since title came to here: try to convert knights into muslim and make them your march... Its too op to make them plunder catholics HAHAHAHAHAHA IRONY!)

Yes, I always vassalize those places where there's increased coring cost. But I never make it a 'march'. I just diplo-annex it ASAP, and bypass the coring penalty.

I'm not so sure the A.I. is deterred by increased coring cost like that. Many times I've seen the Ottomans just get 1 claim on Wallachia, use a 'vassalize Wallachia' CB, and then just go in and annex the whole thing! Same for Portugal over with the Berbers. They don't care, they just annex all kids of stuff.

The Caucasus does seem to be a bit of a roadblock, though. Nobody really seems to want to go in and annex the Caucasus, Even the Ottomans will just grab 1 or 2 provinces and say, "ooh, that's enough for me." 100% war score on Georgia. No, I'll just take 1 province.


Btw, do marches get the -50 'annexed vassal' penalty? I would hope not, otherwise I'd have -500 malice within a century or so. That's the real reason I've always avoided marches. I have to get those guys annexed quick, before the sheer hatred from all my diplo-annexing makes them permanently un-annexable.

 

[makaramus]

Yes, I always vassalize those places where there's increased coring cost. But I never make it a 'march'. I just diplo-annex it ASAP, and bypass the coring penalty.

I'm not so sure the A.I. is deterred by increased coring cost like that. Many times I've seen the Ottomans just get 1 claim on Wallachia, use a 'vassalize Wallachia' CB, and then just go in and annex the whole thing! Same for Portugal over with the Berbers. They don't care, they just annex all kids of stuff.

The Caucasus does seem to be a bit of a roadblock, though. Nobody really seems to want to go in and annex the Caucasus, Even the Ottomans will just grab 1 or 2 provinces and say, "ooh, that's enough for me." 100% war score on Georgia. No, I'll just take 1 province.


Btw, do marches get the -50 'annexed vassal' penalty? I would hope not, otherwise I'd have -500 malice within a century or so. That's the real reason I've always avoided marches. I have to get those guys annexed quick, before the sheer hatred from all my diplo-annexing makes them permanently un-annexable.

coring penalty hits when diplo annexing too -_-
I mean you doing no diffrence by diplo annexin them you still pay %25 or %50 more

 

[al.gb]

Finland, Moldavia/Bulgaria and Georgia. Maybe Teutons/Prussia if you want.

 

[MiniaAr]

hi,

So I'm trying to play a very diplo-oriented game as Russia and trying to basically spread and conquer through vassals. However, I'm trying to figure out who the best March would be for me. I'm thinking Poland honestly because their entire idea set is almost entirely military, but does anyone else have some marches that would be creative to have though still good?

Also are marches even worth it or is it worth more to just have the land yourself. I'm still going to have a March but was wondering how practical they actually are. Thanks!

As Russia, I usually roleplay the end game with a very XIXth century mindset (or Pact of Warsaw). Therefore, once I reached the proper borders of Mother Russia, I expand via marches. They all should be orthodox of course, and with a Romanov monarch because what else. I also do it with a twist, as I let some countries form, then vassalise them. My usual candidates are:

• Greece: I get them either when their cores form, or I release and ally a small Greek-culture country and give them the required provinces for them to form Greece. Then, it's easy to diplo-vassalise them as a proper humongous Russia. I give them all Greek culture provinces and around half of Anatolia.
• Serbia: Definitively a proper Russian march. With the whole East-Slavic culture (including Bulgaria) and the Slovene lands in Austria, they make a good buffer.
• Romania: It's easier to have them form via Wallachia and giving them the required provinces. Now that you can take provinces from subjects, you can later take the Moldavian part piece by piece. You can still feed them the whole of Transylvannia and a bit of Hungary as well (same culture group).
• Armenia: I usually take Georgia for myself, but Armenia I don't really need. I feed them the other half of Anatolia (including Cicilia a.k.a Little Armenia), as well as the Adjerbaijani provinces.
• Moravia/Bohemia/Nitra: I get one of those to be my proper Czechoslovakia.
• Denmark/Sweden: Finland can be a good march, but they're better inside proper Mother Russia. I then get the one of the two that got killed, and feed him the rest of Scandinavia.
• Poland can be a great march or PU as well, but you should definitively take the Ruthenian/Byelorussian parts of them.

 

[IrishGirl]

I don't use Marches a lot, but I have used them. One example is playing as Castile, early game (pre-1500). My emphasis was on New World exploration and domination. While I was busy with that, Morocco attacked. I defeated them and eventually made them a march of Castile.

As a march they receive a number of military benefits, raise better armies than a vassal (I love it when I make a vassal and the first thing they do is reduced the number of regiments they have), and provide a military buffer between my empire and other aggressive North African empires. I eventually pushed marches all across North Africa in that game. The region wasn't that important to me, it wasn't my primary source of income, and marches proved very useful under those circumstances.

 

[Shock360]

coring penalty hits when diplo annexing too -_-
I mean you doing no diffrence by diplo annexin them you still pay %25 or %50 more

He was talking about marches, he wasn't talking about diplo annexing them. Hence the core cost

 

[makaramus]

He was talking about marches, he wasn't talking about diplo annexing them. Hence the core cost

at first sentence he literally saying "diplo annexing asap" and you telling me he wasnt talking about diplo annexing and giving me disagree?
ok... -_-

 

[Shock360]

at first sentence he literally saying "diplo annexing asap" and you telling me he wasnt talking about diplo annexing and giving me disagree?
ok... -_-

But I never make it a 'march'. I just diplo-annex it ASAP, and bypass the coring penalty.
you can see by the but, that he's talking about something other than marches. Later he then starts talking about marches

 

[makaramus]

But I never make it a 'march'. I just diplo-annex it ASAP, and bypass the coring penalty.
you can see by the but, that he's talking about something other than marches. Later he then starts talking about marches

dude you didnt understand
You still gonna pay %50 more diplo points to annex tunis as example... because of his idea %50 core cost
When diplo annex you still coring his provinces... just all at the same time thats only difrence. so by doing this you just paid it with diplo points not admin points
its incrasing 100 diplo cost to 150 diplo cost BECAUSE OF TRADITIONS!

I mean this has nothing to do with marches -_-