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BurningEGO said:KoM, honestly, i am sorry for breaking the deal, but no. You are not getting a single inca province, even it is just giving 7 or 8 income... After it is converted, it will be a worthy aquisition to Spain in eu2, as well as in Vicky... Specially in Vicky, because just these 3 provinces are many more in vicky, and got a hellsome amount of POPs.
That's not gamey at all. No, not at all.
Ah... Well, i would never do such a thing, but since people dont keep their words, i wont keep mine as well. I feel like KoM should have said that he would not accept WPing the incas, before he accepted my peace. It was a cheap tactic, and he would force me to get negative stab for redowing him. Now it is my time to do "gamey" things.
Well, Ego, I feel that it is not a matter for you to break your word or not, as I did not break mine. We had different understandings of the rules; that led to a situation where we understood different things about what we had agreed to. This is not a breaking of anyone's word, nor a 'cheap tactic'; it is an honest misunderstanding. I therefore asked the GM to find a compromise; he did so. I therefore request that you accept the GM's ruling. If you are not going to do so much as that, what is the use of having rules at all?
Bob, as a compromise, how's this : I edit a peace between Norway and England where England gets Sjaelland and 200 ducats. I edit Sjaelland's refinery to Meath, using English money. I then edit Sjaelland back to Norway. No refinery has crossed a national boundary.
Bob, as a compromise, how's this : I edit a peace between Norway and England where England gets Sjaelland and 200 ducats. I edit Sjaelland's refinery to Meath, using English money. I then edit Sjaelland back to Norway. No refinery has crossed a national boundary.
BurningEGO said:Ah... Well, i would never do such a thing, but since people dont keep their words, i wont keep mine as well. I feel like KoM should have said that he would not accept WPing the incas, before he accepted my peace. It was a cheap tactic, and he would force me to get negative stab for redowing him. Now it is my time to do "gamey" things.
Oh I meant the finding out of what provinces correspond to which provinces in Victoria.
I don't think that's very gamey at all. We all know where the gold provinces are; why shouldn't we find out where the coal is? That's just good strategy.
Go ahead KoM, and edit these 3 provinces to your pleasure, but be sure that i will get them back, even if i have to waste every single gold coin left in my treasury and even if that means sending all men, women, children against the Norwegians hordes. No God, No mortal will ever forget the terrible deeds commited by the EVIL norwegians.
Now, seriously, when i was speaking about people who broke their word, i was not refering precisely to you (even if somehow you felt guilty), but to someone who broke an agreement between 2 players. If these players can break agreements, then why cant i break the one i got with Norway? The only thing that i really hated, was that when i sent you the peace proposal i said "includes WP with incas". You accept and then after accepting, you say "No, i dont agree to WP the incas". Why couldnt you simply have said that before?
Imagine that Bob, asks you to give the refineries back via edit as a peace proposal. Bob then send the WP proposal after getting 99 WS, you know that the peace proposal isnt restricted to the WP, but after signing it, you openly refuse to edit the refineries back. Would that be fair to poor Bob? Poor Bob trusted that you would honor your agreement, but after all, you don't. This is exactly what you did to me, and what i wanted to do to you. But it seems that you can't tolerate someone doing this to you. But fine, lets settle this problem once and for all: edit these goddamn provinces back to Norway. They are not worthy all the trouble.
I am such a nice guy.
Now, seriously, when i was speaking about people who broke their word, i was not refering precisely to you (even if somehow you felt guilty), but to someone who broke an agreement between 2 players. If these players can break agreements, then why cant i break the one i got with Norway? The only thing that i really hated, was that when i sent you the peace proposal i said "includes WP with incas". You accept and then after accepting, you say "No, i dont agree to WP the incas". Why couldnt you simply have said that before?
Imagine that Bob, asks you to give the refineries back via edit as a peace proposal. Bob then send the WP proposal after getting 99 WS, you know that the peace proposal isnt restricted to the WP, but after signing it, you openly refuse to edit the refineries back. Would that be fair to poor Bob? Poor Bob trusted that you would honor your agreement, but after all, you don't. This is exactly what you did to me, and what i wanted to do to you. But it seems that you can't tolerate someone doing this to you. But fine, lets settle this problem once and for all: edit these goddamn provinces back to Norway. They are not worthy all the trouble.
I am such a nice guy.
Well, Ego, you said that when we were negotiating for the peace, yes. But I refused the peace you offered, remember? Here is the conversation :
I turned down the peace that included the WP with Inca. So then, when you stabhitted me, I assumed that the stabhit terms were all. I understand that I was wrong; I'm not arguing I was right; I'm just telling you what I thought at the time. So I feel that I never did give my word to WP the Inca. If I had understood that this was part of the terms, I would not have agreed, at any rate not until we knew how much the WP was worth in warscore.
Anyway, I'll just edit the one province, as Ear ruled, and we'll be done with this. That will make it easier for you to stabhit me for it in the next war, since you won't need so much warscore. Shorter wars, fewer dead Ynglings, it's all good!
name = "King of Men (Norway) :All, right, all right, what kind of terms are you offering?"
name = "Game Speed set to Normal"
name = "Game Speed set to Below Normal"
name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :Cupica"
name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :you WP incas"
name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :And give me Jamaica"
name = "Daniel A (Kingdom of Jerusalem) :It is BN speed"
name = "Dr Bob (England)
name = "Dr Bob (England) :then all is well"
name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :And promise NOT to colonize futher in south america"
name = "King of Men (Norway) :Oh, very well, I accept."
name = "King of Men (Norway) :Wait, not that last."
name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :Then war ensues"
name = "Absolut (Burgundy)
name = "King of Men (Norway) :You mean, 'continues'."
name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :Who cares"
name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :I am going to stab hit you to death"
I turned down the peace that included the WP with Inca. So then, when you stabhitted me, I assumed that the stabhit terms were all. I understand that I was wrong; I'm not arguing I was right; I'm just telling you what I thought at the time. So I feel that I never did give my word to WP the Inca. If I had understood that this was part of the terms, I would not have agreed, at any rate not until we knew how much the WP was worth in warscore.
Anyway, I'll just edit the one province, as Ear ruled, and we'll be done with this. That will make it easier for you to stabhit me for it in the next war, since you won't need so much warscore. Shorter wars, fewer dead Ynglings, it's all good!
By the way, Ego, you wanted an admiral and a general for 1612, right? Anyone else has any leader wishes, speak now or forever hold your peace, or anyway until next week. I'll be giving out admirals and generals to everyone except Poland and Hungary, they get two generals instead. Unless someone wants something else, of course. I suppose the world is pretty much explored by now.
KoM, i do think this says everything. "Not that last". You accepted to WP the incas, but not to colonise in south america.
Yes, but then you changed the terms. You'll note that the peace you offered here did not include Copetonas. So, I would have accepted Cupica, Jamaica, and the WP; I turned down the addition of no more colonising. Later on, you demanded my COT, but said nothing about the WP, until after I had accepted.
as i mentioned before (?) a general and conquistador.
Please name them Guo Han and Song Hua please.
Please name them Guo Han and Song Hua please.
I dont want to discuss the matter again, but i did say "Includes WP with incas", every time i sent the peace proposal. Everyone who has a good memory will remember that. Even when you refused to WP the incas, Sterk and even Sid complained about your atitude. I stated the war aims right at the start, and then you openly refuse them. Next time i am not stating any war aims, it is totaly useless.
Every time except the last, actually; you can check the log, you didn't say 'includes WP' until after I had accepted. Ok, I admit I should have taken the hint of the previous ones, but I didn't. Anyway, I won't argue any more on it, we agreed on a compromise.
I will only play the first two hours of the session, after that there is a football match, Germany - Sweden which I have to see, Ill look for a sub.
KoM, is the latest save available for download? I gotta check it. I dont want to join the game to suddently notice half of south america being owned by Norway.