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[King of Men]

Lurken is cheating at the Silent Game; he'd better hope nobody else playing it reads this thread. But anyway, he asks me to post his preferences for conversion : 1419, my converter, random resources, and MyMap if possible.

About cultures, if people really want two, I could mess about with the parameters to the point where most nations got two cultures. And the MyMap conversion can be done eventually, but I don't think we'll have the conversion files ready by next week; do you, bin?

 

[binTravkin]

Huh, are we going so fast?
I haven't checked the latest save as it seems Trav has not updated it yet, but which year is the last?
Next week maybe not, but the week after that we could be ready (Im having a busy weekend this week, can't do any projects, but the weekend after that I could do some fiddling and test and finish up during the week).

 

[King of Men]

The year is only 1386 (?), but it was suggested that we convert to EU2 anyway. As noted, I do not agree.

 

[unmerged(47528)]

OK, since Lurken is being silent and having KOM post his vote, I'll actually vote here. I also vote to convert when we reach 1419. Byzantium may not be very large or powerful, but we're still here. It's too bad it took me almost a year to get the hang of this game.......

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Lurken is cheating at the Silent Game; he'd better hope nobody else playing it reads this thread.

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SILENT INQUISITION!

 

[binTravkin]

Well, I vote to convert the autosave of jan 1st 1419.
It would be completely fair and a smooth transition to EU2 era, like waking up in a new years day and feeling the world has changed (Good inspiration for beginning an AAR or having a nice era-transition update, KoM ).

I would also vote that we make a rule that all ongoing wars are ended till jan 1st 1418.
If any war is going after that, the GM is free to impose his ruling on the situation unless GM himself is involved in it (then we should call for some neutral person not in this game to decide).

 

[King of Men]

Yes, the converter definitely does not deal well with wars, so if any wars are ongoing, we will either have to end them, or postpone the transition.

 

[unmerged(20944)]

Could I humbly object?
Your converter does a good job, but it screws cultures sometimes.
There are 3 main culture factors which should be taken into account:
1.Culture of ruler
2.Culture of primary title
3.Culture of capital OR most of the land owned

Ive got one problem with it...Im not sure wheter i would be happy or not about having polish as culture: It would be the culture of human player, and because of that i nearly HAVE to fight about it! Thats a point which can be negative or positive interpreted...But the thing is, that I took over polish culture...so thats a sucsess of polish breeding or strength of polish culture (only theoretical of course )...so poland gets a penalty for it?

on the other side your system is easy to handle...


it looks like most people are voting for 1419...i would like a early converting ..but i would like mymap too...best thing is playing on with ck probably!

 

[unmerged(5822)]

*throws in a nickel*

As an outsider, I think it'd be better if wars were not artificially avoided but rather that the game would be converted at the first good opportunity after 1419 (January 1st) - or at a good opportunity just before it.

 

[Lurken]

*throws in a nickel*

As an outsider, I think it'd be better if wars were not artificially avoided but rather that the game would be converted at the first good opportunity after 1419 (January 1st) - or at a good opportunity just before it.

Good suggestion.

 

[King of Men]

Yes, I agree with the Phoenix. We should convert at the first date after 1419 when everybody is at peace. We should also agree not to start any wars on 24 December, 1418, even if we have a really great inheritance set up and it only needs a few more years.

Also, everybody will download the B release candidate, right?

 

[binTravkin]

Earendil, what can I say.
The fact is you're actually having that culture as rulers culture shouldn't and in most cases cannot be denied (as during EU2 timeframe the character of a country was often dictated or at least widely influenced by it's ruling dynasty).
I think this as many other things can be a ground for more strife or increased relationship (RPing as if you have 'bonds' to the Polish ruler) which is only a matter of your and to a less extent other side's decision.
After all you're owning no polish provinces, so you shouldn't fear an attack.
It more like puts Sterk in uneasy position as you earn more from getting his polish provinces than he from getting your hungarian (unless you have russian provs as Poland would probably be polish and russian culture by the evaluation scheme I proposed).

 

[EarendilHE]

Earendil, what can I say.
The fact is you're actually having that culture as rulers culture shouldn't and in most cases cannot be denied (as during EU2 timeframe the character of a country was often dictated or at least widely influenced by it's ruling dynasty).I think this as many other things can be a ground for more strife or increased relationship (RPing as if you have 'bonds' to the Polish ruler) which is only a matter of your and to a less extent other side's decision.

Of course there can be many reasons for getting a new prime culture.

After all you're owning no polish provinces, so you shouldn't fear an attack.
It more like puts Sterk in uneasy position as you earn more from getting his polish provinces than he from getting your hungarian (unless you have russian provs as Poland would probably be polish and russian culture by the evaluation scheme I proposed).

Thats what i said!

 

[Traveler]

Hello all,

I hate excuses so I wont make any regarding not posting the Weekly Game Update. After the last game save we have approximately thirty years of game time left. Lets encourage others to join us in open realms and concentrate on our role-playing. I strongly feel we should carry the game to 1419 and agree we should all try to resolve major conflicts by 1418 to prepare for the conversion.


As far as cheech quitting, I am personally taking responsibility. I should have found out what his concerns were and dealt with it. Also, I should have ensured he was not trying to join the game before I launched. I have spoken personally with cheech since then and profusely apologized. I will do my very best to ensure the game goes on and that the rules are adhered to.

As far as the term “gangbang” I do not believe in it. What I mean is this. Any MP game worth it’s salt will force players to band together for selfish reasons to knock other players they deem as threats for whatever reason to ensure their concept of balance. Now, what this means is, most people will politic behind the seen endlessly to gather other players to their cause before attacking another.

Rarely will you see a one on one fight in an MP game with more than two players. It happens but usually after one side or the other have ensured that no other player will join in. I am truly tired of the "I’m being gangbanged" victim stuff. So please don’t get your panties in a wad when you are attacked by three plus realms who are bent on your utter destruction. It’s nothing personal it’s a simple fact of how MP works and should work. Actually if you are the recipient of a massive allied assault you should feel some sense of pride as too how well you’ve done to make so many others feel threatened.

I was overjoyed, when I was recently invaded, by five different player armies, knowing that I had risen to such a height as to be perceived as a threat and powerful enough to force such a combined force to unit against me. Please folks this is not an attack against anyone but merely an appeal to look at things in a new light.

As far as the 1.05 Candidate patches we will not be using them… I repeat “We Will Not be Using Them”. If you read the attached patching instructions you will understand why I am recommending this.

I look forward to seeing ya’ll tomorrow,

Traveler

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[unmerged(30416)]

I am of to a comicbook convention and I don't know if I can make it on time today.

 

[Lurken]

I am of to a comicbook convention and I don't know if I can make it on time today.

I hope that you can make it.

 

[Traveler]

Weekly Game Update


We played at Below Normal for most of the game with 6 players. We played from January 9, 1389 to January 6, 1399. Newest game MAP is up. I have the most recent save posted, which can be downloaded from here.

The players this session:

• Traveler - King of Italy
• Ear - King of Hungary
• KoM - King of Norway
• Dominus - King of England
• Prime - King of Burgundy
• Lurken - King of Castille

We had 3 game stops. I’ll list the causes for each stop:

• Lurken Had to Leave
• Dom and Prime CTD, not sure why
• Prime, not sure why, we stopped here

We burned through some serious time. France is being slowly chipped away to nothing similar to the degradation of Poland. Just twenty more game years left. We can foreseeable get through these remaining years in two maybe three sessions.

Open realms:

• Kingdom of Bohemia needs good leadership
• Kingdom of France a bit chewed on, potentially fun in the right hands
• Kingdom of Jerusalem a future power

Traveler

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[King of Men]

Come now, I only inherited three of Poland's provinces. Hardly comparable to what was done to France. Hungary's greedy grabs for his disloyal vassals is admittedly another matter.

 

[unmerged(1633)]

Come now, I only inherited three of Poland's provinces. Hardly comparable to what was done to France. Hungary's greedy grabs for his disloyal vassals is admittedly another matter.

I think he was referring to the actual Partitions of Poland... Anyway. We know Trav is the French fifth column, so I tend not to notice his remarks about what may be happening to France...

 

[King of Men]

Oh, right. Partitions, yes. Well, really, we need a third power for a proper Partition. Maybe a Bohemian player would like some bits of Poland? Or, indeed, France.