Map visibility error?

[Don Funk]

When playing EU4 as Denmark, I have noticed that the discoveries made by Norway is not passed on to Denmark. Considering that Norway is a loyal subject, one should think that any discovery made by Norway is passed on to the overlord Denmark.
I have experienced a situation where an event triggers Norway to break free from the PU, only to find out that they had colonies in the Americas wich I couldn't reach due to the lack of visibility.
This surely must be an error, since it wouldn't make sence if it isn't.

 

[AndrewT]

Not a tech support issue so moved to main forum. If the community agrees it's likely to be a bug, post in Bug Reports please.

 

[myrsl0ken]

This is the way it has worked for ages so I think it's WAD. It's stupid though.

 

[OldmansHQ]

Not a tech support issue so moved to main forum. If the community agrees it's likely to be a bug, post in Bug Reports please.

Strange approach. Why should it matter if the "community" agrees that it's a bug? You're from Paradox, and you're the makers of the game, so you should decide or rather know what is intentional and what is a bug. For all we know, the UI text is bugged because it's near microscopic. If it was up to the community to decide, this would be a bug.

 

[AndrewT]

Strange approach. Why should it matter if the "community" agrees that it's a bug? You're from Paradox, and you're the makers of the game, so you should decide or rather know what is intentional and what is a bug. For all we know, the UI text is bugged because it's near microscopic. If it was up to the community to decide, this would be a bug.

I personally do not know all of the games I support well enough to know if every mentioned gameplay issue is a bug or WaD. The community who play each individual game a lot, do as a collective know each game far better than I.

When I do know that something's a bug, I don't use that method.

 

[Stgerlachus]

Honestly I'm pretty sure it's WAD. However I do agree with myrsl0ken that it's a bad design choice. I had the same with Aragon and Castille under me as a PU, it's very odd to be unable to see all the lands of your subjects. Why on earth would they not share their maps with you.

 

[Gratak]

Honestly I'm pretty sure it's WAD. However I do agree with myrsl0ken that it's a bad design choice. I had the same with Aragon and Castille under me as a PU, it's very odd to be unable to see all the lands of your subjects. Why on earth would they not share their maps with you.

Not only that. Subjects are even specifically excluded from the "share maps" feature of Mare Nostrum. REALLY weird design choice...

 

[Stgerlachus]

Not only that. Subjects are even specifically excluded from the "share maps" feature of Mare Nostrum. REALLY weird design choice...

Yeah I thought about that too, but wasn't sure at the time. It's a very weird setup.

 

[Don Funk]

I personally do not know all of the games I support well enough to know if every mentioned gameplay issue is a bug or WaD. The community who play each individual game a lot, do as a collective know each game far better than I.

When I do know that something's a bug, I don't use that method.

There are many ways to send good questions into oblivion, and this was one of them.
I'm not sure if your response is based on indifference or ignorance, maybe you can clearify and explain?
What you basicly tell us is that you couldn't give a rats ass, unless a youtuber take up this subject.
The reason is that a normal gamer hasn't got a network big enough to get your prober attension, so when you answer that it is up to the community, you basicly say: " I don't care unless neglcting the subject is going to cost paradox money"
How about you start using that brain of yours?, perhaps ask yourself, if what you read was useless or actually usefull.

 

[IndraSunrise]

Has anyone read James Clavell, Shogun? During this time, a Rutter, the ship pilots book of notes, was a jealously guarded national secret. Pilots might kill each other over the notes that would tell you how to return safely to a place where previous explorers had travelled, and nations would certainly preserve and protect, at any cost, the secrets that kept their ships alive and granted access to overseas exploration and trade.

My belief is this is WAD.

 

[Gratak]

There are many ways to send good questions into oblivion, and this was one of them.
I'm not sure if your response is based on indifference or ignorance, maybe you can clearify and explain?
What you basicly tell us is that you couldn't give a rats ass, unless a youtuber take up this subject.
The reason is that a normal gamer hasn't got a network big enough to get your prober attension, so when you answer that it is up to the community, you basicly say: " I don't care unless neglcting the subject is going to cost paradox money"
How about you start using that brain of yours?, perhaps ask yourself, if what you read was useless or actually usefull.

Wow. Everything alright with you? That was really unnecessary. This was no Tech issue and he actually did the one thing to get this thread into attention, because nobody would have looked at it if it was hidden in the tech support forum... And you do not need a youtube channel, you simply need to open a thread in the bug forum if you want to declare it a bug... While the chance of getting a reply at this time of the year is certainly low, the dev-respons rate in that forum is generally high.

Has anyone read James Clavell, Shogun? During this time, a Rutter, the ship pilots book of notes, was a jealously guarded national secret. Pilots might kill each other over the notes that would tell you how to return safely to a place where previous explorers had travelled, and nations would certainly preserve and protect, at any cost, the secrets that kept their ships alive and granted access to overseas exploration and trade.

My belief is this is WAD.

Let's assume you are completely correct, then why are maps spread so easily among European countries (or western tech). It makes no sense that a country is excluded from this map trade, simply because the STARTED a native if they are now one of the most advanced countries with provinces in europe...

And regarding map spread in general: First of all, any subject would hardly have any chance of keeping maps from his overlord for a long duration, unless the overlord is an overlord in name only. Any loyal vassal should spread his maps to his overlord within a few years by default.

Other than that, any country would certainly want to keep his maps secret. That might work for a while (especially on sea) but once many trade vassels travers those routes, it will become impossible after a while. That's why you have a 50 years delay within you own tech group.

 

[Don Funk]

I gave an angry reply because of the way the question was dismissed.
Was it unnecessary? .. I don't think so. Not when stuff cannot be be fixed because of common sence, but only out of if or if not we can make a large customer request.
Companies that refuse to take responsebility for their own product, and only fix what is broken if it has a potensial reduction in sales, are in my view shitty companies, and they make me anoyed.

 

[Dominion]

Has anyone read James Clavell, Shogun? During this time, a Rutter, the ship pilots book of notes, was a jealously guarded national secret. Pilots might kill each other over the notes that would tell you how to return safely to a place where previous explorers had travelled, and nations would certainly preserve and protect, at any cost, the secrets that kept their ships alive and granted access to overseas exploration and trade.

My belief is this is WAD.

Yea, and back in the days people weren't able to pump out thousands of soldiers per month based on how many swords I slam into a province.

Historical accuracy does not always work as an argument. In this case it certainly does not because I can share maps with other nations, but not my subjects. Following your point, what exactly would be the reasoning behind my own subjects protecting it with their lives while my enemies share it freely?

Either way, it is WAD.

The way to acquire vision is the same as it has been for quite a while. Based on tech groups.

Also, you can not share maps

- If someone is a colonizer
- If a nation is a subject under you

There are many things wrong here, mainly because I am also unable to steal maps from my subject (since I'd have to spy on the overlord, myself) making them the only nation from which I am prohibited to get maps.

Long story short: This is intended, in no way a bug and could you leave AndrewT alone? It was the correct decision. This is not a tech issue. It's a matter of someone complaining about a bad mechanic that could be improved.

 

[Trin Tragula]

What you basicly tell us is that you couldn't give a rats ass, unless a youtuber take up this subject.
The reason is that a normal gamer hasn't got a network big enough to get your prober attension, so when you answer that it is up to the community, you basicly say: " I don't care unless neglcting the subject is going to cost paradox money"
.

What he was saying is you posted it in the tech support forum instead of the bug forum and as a tech support rep he doesn't now enough to tell if it should be in the bug forum or in here.
Had you posted in the correct section you would've gotten a reply from embedded QA instead (who do know the game).

Afaik this is all by design though so if you want it changed the suggestions forum is the best place to argue for it.

 

[Stormbringer]

I had an issue a while back where as Burgundy I finally integrated Spain and got their New World colonies. Except I did not know how to get to them since the provinces between what I had explored and the colonies were terra incognita. This was a few patches ago, so not sure if this is still a problem or not, but may be worth taking a look?

 

[Dominion]

I had an issue a while back where as Burgundy I finally integrated Spain and got their New World colonies. Except I did not know how to get to them since the provinces between what I had explored and the colonies were terra incognita. This was a few patches ago, so not sure if this is still a problem or not, but may be worth taking a look?

That can very well still happen.

 

[Stormbringer]

Yeah, so maybe it's a problem. At least upon integration we should get the discoveries of the country we are integrating so as not to end up with isolated colonies.

 

[Tavior]

Has anyone read James Clavell, Shogun? During this time, a Rutter, the ship pilots book of notes, was a jealously guarded national secret. Pilots might kill each other over the notes that would tell you how to return safely to a place where previous explorers had travelled, and nations would certainly preserve and protect, at any cost, the secrets that kept their ships alive and granted access to overseas exploration and trade.

My belief is this is WAD.

Historic doesn't always translate into a fun mechanics.

For example if I as Bohemia just happens to get a port in Lubeck area and gain a PU with 4 CN. Then someone in American declare war on your CN (TI are only reveal of the enemy's capital not your subjects land). You can't reach YOUR own subject to protect them. Which is ridiculous stupid and force you to hope for white peace or lose something.

What he was saying is you posted it in the tech support forum instead of the bug forum and as a tech support rep he doesn't now enough to tell if it should be in the bug forum or in here.
Had you posted in the correct section you would've gotten a reply from embedded QA instead (who do know the game).

Afaik this is all by design though so if you want it changed the suggestions forum is the best place to argue for it.

Read what I said above.

 

[durbal]

Also, maps should be shareable while at war. Allies can call you to defend them but you won't even be able to move to their land due to terra incognita!