Map Teaser - 27th of May

[matk]

Looks like Meath has no monarch points or anything in the picture - it was probably released as a vassal, not a starting nation 1444. This makes it slightly easier to get an independent Ireland or set of Irish states with a way to get Meath away from England.

 

[zdlugasz]

I know! If only the Republic of Florence was somehow represented on the map, but unfortunately the Tuscany province in 1444 is doomed to forever be wasteland since we have no tag to own it.

Since you are here can you confirm/resolve issue of vassal religion if I convert their provinces before release, and does "feature" mean that without DLC I can not change vassal's religion (thus potentially he will convert everything to wrong religion)?

 

[Krajzen]

Just posted in Wiz's twitter.

Beautiful colour and finally a rebel tag here

How many new nations? Livonia, Estonia, Karelia, Sapmi, Meath, Lucca, Montferrat, Hormuz...

 

[Republic of Mercury]

I was thinking we could perhaps use the Tuscany tag to represent Florence, but since that would obviously be completely unreasonable I think we have no choice but to give the land to Serbia.

Fine by me, as long as Serbia can form Tuscany after they conquer Paris and London.

 

[Wizzington]

Looks like Meath has no monarch points or anything in the picture - it was probably released as a vassal, not a starting nation 1444. This makes it slightly easier to get an independent Ireland or set of Irish states with a way to get Meath away from England.

Yeah, Meath is a revolter tag. Mainly added so that England can be forced to release their part of Ireland if beaten in a war.

 

[zdlugasz]

Yeah, Meath is a revolter tag. Mainly added so that England can be forced to release their part of Ireland if beaten in a war.

Can e.g. France still force England to release stuff on isles during HYW without occupation, or even a single ship (by sitting on English mainland provinces)? If yes, than adding new tags for the purpose of breaking countries seem ... well, vindictive ?

 

[Wizzington]

Can e.g. France still force England to release stuff on isles during HYW without occupation, or even a single ship (by sitting on English mainland provinces)? If yes, than adding new tags for the purpose of breaking countries seem ... well, vindictive ?

In 1.12, AI will not negotiate for provinces unless you have captured at least some forts in the area, so Britain will refuse to give concessions in the British Isles unless you've actually managed to invade them there, but will negotiate for Normandie if you capture Caux.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

In 1.12, AI will not negotiate for provinces unless you have captured at least some forts in the area, so Britain will refuse to give concessions in the British Isles unless you've actually managed to invade them there, but will negotiate for Normandie if you capture Caux.

Is that a hard rule? Because it sounds like I could occupy England's continental holdings, then send them a demand to release Cornwall every month until they're at -3 stability from rejecting low war-score deals. Unless you mean that I won't even be able to demand it.

 

[Wizzington]

Is that a hard rule? Because it sounds like I could occupy England's continental holdings, then send them a demand to release Cornwall every month until they're at -3 stability from rejecting low war-score deals. Unless you mean that I won't even be able to demand it.

You won't be able to force it with stabhit.

 

[zdlugasz]

Is that a hard rule? Because it sounds like I could occupy England's continental holdings, then send them a demand to release Cornwall every month until they're at -3 stability from rejecting low war-score deals. Unless you mean that I won't even be able to demand it.

I hope the latter, since you can break AI sending such demands right since EU3 IIRC, and "releasing Cornwall" type of "strategy" seems to be quite popular cheese

 

[Republic of Mercury]

You won't be able to force it with stabhit.

Darn. Looks like I'll be stationing my troops in Scotland for the first invasion this time.

 

[matk]

Nothing too groundbreaking with this teaser, but continue on the trend of this patch/expansion of being good changes. Keep it up PDOX, me like.

 

[zdlugasz]

You won't be able to force it with stabhit.

Can you elaborate?
- you can send such demand at -3 stab and AI will refuse
or
- you can send such demands but there wont be stabhit?

It seems to me that you imply that there still will be stabhit (and it might be even easier to accomplish due to new rule), thus "France" can try to break "England" by rebels occupying e.g. Calais for 20 years.

Edit: and it is not only mine opinion, that demand to release countries without occupation is plain stupid

Additional issue: not all provinces will have forts (from DD). And IIRC Johan said that in 1444 France will have something like 4 forts only, partially due to the maintenance cost.

Does it mean that France (with no navy) can still force England to release vassals on isles? (how many forts will have England? In London I guess, one in north (in northumberland?), maybe in Meath, probably 2 in France (Normandy and Guianne), what about Calais? Will it have forts in Corwall and Wales as well?

 

[Lamahorse]

Nice to see Meath as a revolter tag; despite how unhistorical Ireland is in 1444.

It would be nice to see an Earldom of Kildare and the Old English enclave of the Pale.

 

[zdlugasz]

I know! If only the Republic of Florence was somehow represented on the map, but unfortunately the Tuscany province in 1444 is doomed to forever be wasteland since we have no tag to own it.

I like sarcasm very well, but I think it should have some merit

1. Duchy of Tuscany did not exist in 1444, neither in 1492, nor in 1515 and 1530, ..., it was created in 1569
2. When I start game I do not see Florence but Tuscany unrightfuly occupying that wasteland, and you never explained in Florence thread how it is better/more historical/whatever
3. Arguments and proposals can be found in Florence thread

 

[Fredrick Wilhelm Mad King]

Even though I agree with nerfing the power of the Sevilla trade node. The games time period 1444 to 1821, was the steep decline the the trade power of the mediterranean. Thus placing 2 of the 3 end nodes in that regions are completely false in a historical context.
Despite not being related to trade, why was military access changed in the last patch despite being also historically false.
Why for example would a defensive ally of yours (who did not join your war) give access to his rival who you are fighting.
If this aspect of the game will not change please (I beg you) add a military access map mode . It is unbelievably tedious to continuously check the access that is given to either you or your enemy

 

[Grand Historian]

You meant Hüdavendigâr (Bursa)? Could be because it was known for being a trade center for silk (and textile in general) and continued to be the source of most royal silk products during the Ottoman-Turkish period.

True, though wasn't Thessaloniki one of the main ports and commercial centers in the Ottoman Empire? I believe the same could be said for Smyrna in the sixteenth century and onwards, especially as Prussa's importance started to decline after Constantinople's conquest.

 

[Grand Historian]

Vassals keep their religion when released now. We added an interface string to tell you what religion a released vassal will be.

Have you thought about doing the same for Government types? So if I release Venice as a vassal it will have a Merchant Republic instead of a Monarchy?

 

[Slayen]

Eeh, can't you force a vassal to convert religion now? Or is that only for the DLC?

You can ask them to switch religions via the subject interactions. Or you can convert the provinces before you release them.

Does that happen regardless of the religion in the vassal's provinces? So if I convert all of the British Isles to Islam, and then release England and Scotland, they'll both still be Catholic?

But you'll still be able to use the "enforce religion" option with your vassals in the next update.

Yes, but you can only do that if they in the same religious group.

So as the Ottos:

Force Oman from Ibadi to Sunni? Yes
Force Serbia from Orthodox to Sunni? No

And converting all their land before releasing them sort of defeats half the purpose.

And just to be clear, I am not saying this is a bad change. I in fact do look forward to a much easier way to play as a Hindu Punjab from the 1444 date for example.

I'm just sad to see one of my favored conversion strategies go away.

 

[murlocmancer]

Isn't Genoa going to be kind of dumb since new world trade will go there even though the merchant republics are suppose to struggle with the new world being discovered. Although for my Genoa games, I am going to love this.