I think it should have more provinces, at least if the wastelands known as Norway, Finland and Sweden get more provinces. Scotland should have at least as many as Norway (counting Orkney and Shetlands as part of neither).
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I was thinking splitting Highlands into Rosshire and Caithness. Or adding Perthshire and Argyle. Aberdeen should be farmlands. Also the Moray firth is so ugly
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Maybe what we need is multiple levels of the Historical Friend modifier, perhaps in increments of 5? Like, Hungary and Austria could be Historical Friends (+25), while Hungary and Poland could be Historical Friends (+5). That would allow modeling historical relationships with a bit more granularity than just the presence or absence of a +25 modifier. I don't know if the engine would allow a relations modifier with different values, so it could perhaps by something like "Historically Friendly: +5", "Historic Friends: +15", "Historic Allies: +25", or something like that. Just a thought.
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Everything. Are you saying you cannot see the pure beauty of enclaves and exclaves?
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Those regions already have the lowest development already, but if you dont split they could be fort that covers much with mountain bonus and a long time to get from the alongside province to the fort
I really like exclaves and enclaves. I guess they're the most obvious thing that shows borders are a really messy business - and they carry a lot of history.
Also, no matter how much you'll try and wish them away, they exist. It's silly to deny this for gameplay matters - I'm not convinced there's any matter of gameplay here. It's fine to dislike them aesthetically, though, of course. Just be forward about it.
(this isn't personally directed to you petertel123, just so that's out there)
Those kind of provinces makes it far harder to use the game's map as the interface through which you play the game, which is the whole reason it's there. They're counter to the entire interface and anyone who doesn't understand the problem with them have completely lopsided priorities in regards to how to design a game.
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Any changes to the Balkan region? Croatia , Ragusa, Bosnia etc ?
Suggestions: Add more decisions , provinces , rework base tax in some and maybe even resources.
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huge suggestion: complete overhaul of the Personal Union system, i would love the see Austria-Hungary.
also, don´t forget that Croatia was in PU with Hungary (not annexed part).
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Suggestions: Add more decisions , provinces , rework base tax in some and maybe even resources.
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huge suggestion: complete overhaul of the Personal Union system, i would love the see Austria-Hungary.
also, don´t forget that Croatia was in PU with Hungary (not annexed part).
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I agree with Croatia, but why Austria-Hungary? That's not a good thing to form. It was a compromise by the Austrians after they lost a war agains the Prussians. It was done just to keep the Empire together and if they had a choice, they would keep the name Austrian Empire "forever."
I dont know how accurate this map is, but you cant see the connection of lithuania to the baltic sea either. Btw.: The prince-bishopric of Ermland could be a vassal at the start or a releasable tag with a core on Ermland. Historically it was first a vassal of the Teutonic Order and after 1466 a vassal of Poland.
I can give another map:
or:
The maps shows how German and Polish historians imagine situation (or try to impose). The real thing is treaties:
Polish–Teutonic War:
- Polish–Teutonic War (1308–1309) describes the Teutonic takeover of Danzig
- Polish–Teutonic War (1326–1332) concluded by the Treaty of Kalisz (1343)
- Polish–Teutonic War (1409–1411) known as the Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War or Great War ending with the Peace of Thorn (1411)
- Polish–Teutonic War (1414) known as the Hunger War
- Polish–Teutonic War (1422) known as the Gollub War ending with the Treaty of Melno
- Polish–Teutonic War (1431–1435) or the Lithuanian Civil War (1431–1435)
- Polish–Teutonic War (1454–1466) known as the Thirteen Years' War (1454–66)
- Polish–Teutonic War (1467–1479) known as the War of the Priests
- Polish–Teutonic War (1519–1521) known as Reiterkrieg in German
The (First) Peace of Thorn. It was signed on 1 February 1411 in Thorn (Toruń),
The Hunger War or Famine War. Summer 1414
Treaty of Melno. It was signed on September 27, 1422
"According to the terms of the treaty, the Teutonic Knights for the first time renounced all territorial, political, and missionary claims against the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Samogitia was permanently ceded to Lithuania. The Prussian–Lithuanian border ran from sparsely inhabited wilderness in Suvalkija, through the triangle north of the Neman River, to Nemirseta on the Baltic Sea. Thus the Knights still controlled Neman's lower reaches and Memel (Klaipėda), an important seaport and trade center. Lithuania retained access to the Baltic Sea between the towns of Palanga (Polangen) and Šventoji (Heiligen Aa) – a distance of about 15 kilometres (9.3 mi). However, Lithuania failed to develop harbors in Palanga or Šventoji as there were stiff competition with the nearby established ports Memel and Libau (Liepāja) and unfavorable natural conditions. Thus it could not be considered a real access to the sea. For the Knights this short coastline strip was a major sacrifice as it separated the Teutonic Knights in Prussia from their branch in Livonia. The treaty is often described as a mutual Prussian–Lithuanian compromise."
Battle of Wilkomierz/Pabaiskas. Took place on September 1, 1435.
The battle reduced the power of the Livonian Order as its army was defeated, Grand Master killed, and many senior officers taken prisoner. The damage to the Livonian Order caused by the battle is often compared to the consequences that the Battle of Grunwald (1410) had on the Teutonic Knights. The peace treaty was signed on December 31, 1435 in Brześć Kujawski. The Teutonic and Livonian Orders promised not to interfere with internal matters of Lithuania or Poland. Even Pope or Holy Roman Emperor could not force the Orders to violate the treaty. The peace did not alter borders established in the Treaty of Melno (1422).
Second Peace of Thorn of 1466. It was signed in the Hanseatic city of Thorn (Toruń) on 19 October 1466
Both sides agreed to seek confirmation from Pope Paul II and Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III, but the Polish side stressed (and the Teutonic side agreed) that this confirmation would not be needed for validation of the treaty. In the treaty, the Teutonic Order ceded the territories of Pomerelia (Eastern Pomerania) with Danzig, Kulmerland with Kulm and Thorn, the mouth of the Vistula with Elbing and Marienburg (Malbork), and the Bishopric of Warmia (Ermland) with Allenstein (Olsztyn). The Order also acknowledged the rights of the Polish Crown for Prussia's western half, subsequently known as Polish or Royal Prussia.[1] Eastern Prussia, later called Duchy of Prussia remained with the Teutonic Order until 1525, as a Polish fief.
That's only facts, no my personal opinion.
Any questions?
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Good idea. Perhaps also do it with rivals. (There is a historical rivals modifier right?) With Denmark and Sweden being the highest tier rivals for instance.
I know that provinces should have as short a border with other provinces due to some coding thing. But how does enclaves make it more difficult to use the map? That an army can come out of every enclave? Then perhaps limit that.
I agree with you 100%, Austria did lose a lot with the formation of that PU, but it would be interesting game-wise if the entire Personal Union system got remade.
It should be predictable and achievable, maybe decline can be a reason as to why to form PU.
For instance, as you said, Croatia was In PU with Hungary (no questions about that) but since the game has a rather "old" and difficult implementation of a Personal Union system they just don´t wanna bother with putting Croatia in PU with Hungary out of purely balance reasons. (i assume)
But can´t they just add more provinces to Hungary or boost their nation ideas (they should get a boost).
They should flesh out the "PU" system of marriage that Austria had with many parts of Europe.
And re-think the provinces and decisions of nations.
Bottom line, I think everyone agrees that the entire region needs a second look including Austria, it had such an important regional role.
Did anyone notice ostpreussen no longer exists? I assume köningsberg is the capital of one of the new provinces?
Presumably Königsberg is the capital of the new province of Königsberg.
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