Map Teaser: 13th of May 2015

[Wizzington]

Today's (slightly delayed) map teaser features all of the Germans.

 

[Wizzington]

My Hometown (Aachen) now is Hessian? I guess I have to learn a new dialect.

We based German cultures on the imperial circles with some abstractions/extensions. No cultural setup is going to be perfect.

 

[neondt]

BTW, why is Brittany not in Celtic culture group anymore?

Probably for the same reason Scottish is in the British group. They've spent centuries slowly absorbing French culture, are in the French sphere of influence, and use basically the same political structure that France does (as opposed to the more clan-based structure of the Irish and Welsh). They're definitely not "Francien", but they're definitely culturally similar enough to be in the same group.

Also, balance reasons .

 

[Wizzington]

Why has Breton been changed to the French group?

We're moving away from language = culture, in other terms of culture the Bretons were much closer to France than Ireland, and having them be forever nonaccepted (and thus culture-converted) by France every game is undesirable. Same reason we put Basque in the Iberian group.

 

[Wizzington]

Bonus shot of some new revolter tags:

 

[neondt]

It only makes France stronger.

It also makes player-controlled Brittany stronger.

 

[Wizzington]

I still see no Isle of Man...

British Isles, France, Scandinavia, Lithuania and Russia were outside the scope of the map changes this time around.

 

[neondt]

That does make sense. But then shouldn't the west Finno-Ugric cultures much closer to Scandinavian than to Uralic?

Maybe by the end of the period, but not in 1444.

 

[Wizzington]

Following your logics, Ruthenian and Belarussian cultures should be closer to Polish culture group rather than to Russian in EU4 timeframe. How are you going to deal with this sort of nuances?

We'll decide that when we work on Lithuania. I said we're moving away from language = culture, but we're not going to radically change everything overnight.

 

[Wizzington]

And this is why the magyar group exists, right?

Magyar group was added under a different standard. I'm not a fan of it.

 

[Wizzington]

We couldn't find a better name other than Lower Saxon and it's too unwieldy.

 

[neondt]

By that logic, shouldn't welsh be part of the British culture group? They are in the same boat as Basque and Breton, just getting converted and then ignored for the rest of the game. They were an integral part of England (and then the UK) whilst still maintaining a cultural identity, there were even welsh members of parliament by the 16th century.

I'd say that historically, Wales WAS culture-converted to English. More recently the Welsh have been trying to revive their culture, which wasn't entirely lost, but which suffered immensely in the EU period.

Even today it hasn't really recovered. In the recent election, UKIP got more of the popular vote than Plaid Cymru. That says something about national sentiment.

 

[Wizzington]

Which is also why Welsh has been put in the British group.

Wait...

The word 'moving' implies something in progress. If we were already done with it I would say 'have moved away from'. We'll look at the Welsh situation and consider what's most appropriate when we get there.

 

[Meneth]

Please rename Sapmi into Lapland or Sami or something. Sapmi just doesn't make sense among the other English names.

Sapmi is one of the two English names for the region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sápmi.
And "Sami" would make no sense as a name for a nation; it's the name of a culture/ethnicity, not a region.

Lapland could work in my opinion, but Sapmi also works just fine.

 

[Wizzington]

We'll likely change Hessian to Rhenish.

 

[Wizzington]

Karelian has been expanded to all previously Finnish provinces owned by Novgorod, so Finland no longer has cores on Orthodox provinces.

 

[Wizzington]

That's pretty cool, but my question was why was it there before? Or was it lost to the sands of time and the answer is now just because?

It's been there since EU3, so as to why it was there originally I really don't know (or care, honestly).

 

[neondt]

This is not true, there is an 'add_accepted_culture' modifier that I guess could be used for this (admittedly I'm not the best modder so I dunno exactly but I know it's there)

Yes, and if you use that it doesn't exempt you from the normal rules for losing accepted cultures. Even if you add it by event, it'll still be lost if Brittany's base tax is under the accepted culture threshold.