Sandolfon said:(2) it could be made into a viable rival for Venice.
As a 1-province minor? No, not within the EU2 engine. Not possible.
Sandolfon said:(2) it could be made into a viable rival for Venice.
Sandolfon said:I do realise you're against Dubrovnik, but (1) it already exists and has both tag and province (albeit an inaccurate one) dedicated to it (2) it could be made into a viable rival for Venice. Do you wish to get rid of the nation and/or prevent a possible province?
Lambert Simnel said:Is there going to be room for another province in southern Greece so that the Principality of Achaia can be included in the game:
I definitely agree. I wasn't arguing for any graphical change, and Lesbos was in the Chios theme.Hive said:Lesbos will still be a part of the province, since I think it needs all 3 for size purposes.
I think the best that can be done here is to put the Principality in Morea. The Pelopponesus is too small to be split. It would be nice to see a split Pelopponesus in, for example, the MES however.Lambert Simnel said:Is there going to be room for another province in southern Greece so that the Principality of Achaia can be included in the game:
Finellach said:Comparing Ragusa with San Marino and Anodrra?!?! I mean really... :rofl:
Btw. I don't think you people understand what this game is about. This game is not history lesson but a simulation of history. So while it may simulate the history it doesn't mean that it needs to work out excatly as it did in the game.
Let supose that Ragusa didn't had that terrible earthquake and that it continued developing militarily and rivaled Venice ultimately taking over the primate in the Adriatic.
There are numerous variations that could have happened and this game is all about those variations happening.
Abdul Goatherd said:Very doubtful. In the concurrent time period, Venice wasn't just a large rival power in the Adriatic. It was arguably the richest, most advanced & powerful state in Europe.
Ragusa existed because of the stalemate between the Turk & the Venetian. It continued by their grace. One gesture of independent political movement and it would have been immediately swatted down by one or the other.
And it would have been particularly easy because, from what I understand, Ragusa had no army and no navy.
Nor, and here I may rustle a few bristles, was it really commercially significant either. It was successful enough to survive, but it wasn't a first-tier commercial city, perhaps not even second-tier. It's not Andorra. But it wasn't quite Lucca either.
Don't get me wrong. I think Dubrovnik is a beautiful & awesome city (I visited it before the war -- lots of Venetian lions everywhere ). But it was not a significant power. Do you think the Venetians would have let it live had it been?
Finellach said:Comparing Ragusa with San Marino and Anodrra?!?! I mean really... :rofl:
Finellach said:Btw. I don't think you people understand what this game is about. This game is not history lesson but a simulation of history. So while it may simulate the history it doesn't mean that it needs to work out excatly as it did in the game.
Finellach said:Let supose that Ragusa didn't had that terrible earthquake and that it continued developing militarily and rivaled Venice ultimately taking over the primate in the Adriatic.
Finellach said:There are numerous variations that could have happened and this game is all about those variations happening.
Finellach said:As I said what if it gone the other way?
Abdul Goatherd said:Not a chance. The 15th C. was Venice's prime. With Genoa defeated at Chioggia, she had already moved from superpower to hyperpower. Forget Croatia. Venice had already proven herself able to fight off the best armies of Europe combined several times over and she would prove it again and again.
I love Dubrovnik and I hate myself for putting her down like this. But there simply was no other way. The difference was far too steep to be overcome. If this was the 10th C., perhaps (even though the differences were already evident). But not in 1419, no. Even if Venice could be knocked off her perch by a hundred earthquakes (it would take at least that many ), there were plenty of other better-placed candidates -- from Genoa to Lucca to Florence -- ready to jump in to replace her, well ahead of Ragusa.
It is like setting Costa Rica against the US. Or, at my most generous, Cuba (minus its army) vs. US.
Hive said:Latest version:
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Oh, and I know I forgot to name Ragusa... o
Next up: Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania. I'm not sure quite what to do here, any suggestions are welcome...
No need to worry, both provinces are about the same size as Rhodes, then look at Corfu...angelscotboi said:This looks much better than earlier versions.
However Istria and Ragusa/Dubrovnik are rather small, would they be clickable? Take into consideration city icon, unit icon, manufactory icon...I fink they r a bit small and would look crowded.
Maybe enlarging Istria and Ragusa at the expense of neighbouring provinces would be better?
angelscotboi said:This looks much better than earlier versions.
However Istria and Ragusa/Dubrovnik are rather small, would they be clickable? Take into consideration city icon, unit icon, manufactory icon...I fink they r a bit small and would look crowded.
Maybe enlarging Istria and Ragusa at the expense of neighbouring provinces would be better?
angelscotboi said:However Istria and Ragusa/Dubrovnik are rather small, would they be clickable? Take into consideration city icon, unit icon, manufactory icon...I fink they r a bit small and would look crowded.
CC?King of Minors said:
I see no problems in clickability with current ragusa size, actually i believe the new ragusa is bigger than the one featuring in the image i have made.
The following applies only to the area south and east of Kosovo. I do not know much about the rest in this period.Hive said:Latest version:
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