[Map Mod] Ibn Battuta's Legacy - map improvement for CK2 (Middle East, Africa, Central Europe)

[elvain]

you're right, I should have posted the de jure duchies so everyone would know what we are talking about

the possibilities are:
1) original and still somehow preferred version
Sana'a+Hadramaut = kingdom of Yemen
rest (Arabia+Hijaz+Nejd+Bahrain+Oman) = kingdom of Arabia

2) Sana'a+Hadramaut = kingdom of Yemen
Oman is a separate kingdom with special conditions
rest is kingdom of Arabia

3) Sana'a+Hadramaut = kingdom of Yemen
Oman = kingdom of Oman - with special creating conditions
Arabia+Hijaz = kingdom of Hijaz
Nejd+Bahrain = kingdom of Arabia

4) all is one kingdom of Arabia with

 

[Keizer Harm]

Very helpful. I'd say make Yemen de jure and the reset titular.

 

[elvain]

well, that was actually the original plan (and current status) as you can see here:

PS: please ignore the missing localisations for now.
And on the other side of Red Sea, there is still one kingdom missing - the eastern half of Abyssinia will be kingdom/sultanate of Adal

 

[DC123456789]

Yeah, Arabia does look a little weird like that. I would say to either leave it all united or split it up into the constituent kingdoms, but having only Yemen separated is kind of strange.

 

[Keizer Harm]

He, I actually like the way this looks.

 

[xXConquerorXx]

I'd either go with 3, or, have Arabia, Hijaz and Nedj in the KoA and Bahrain and Oman in a joint Kingdom. Oh, also, xould you either extend Asir into the Red Sea or break the other province in two? Cause it looks strange for Yemen to have an extension that far north.

 

[elvain]

I'd either go with 3, or, have Arabia, Hijaz and Nedj in the KoA and Bahrain and Oman in a joint Kingdom. Oh, also, xould you either extend Asir into the Red Sea or break the other province in two? Cause it looks strange for Yemen to have an extension that far north.

Well, I don't think Oman and Bahrain should be a joint kingdom. Frankly I don't recall them being under same rule in any time of CK timespan (well, except the early Abbasid empire, which controlled pretty much everything all around).

But I do admit that the Asir idea isn't alien to me. I have actually thought about making it a duchy (it actually always was a semi-independent region inbetween Yemen and Hijaz), either only with Tihama (the same case, but less independent than Asir), or with both Tihama and Najran (the northernmost inland province of Yemen).

On the other hand, to be honest, my plan with Asir was rather the oposite than yours. I planned that it could be included into dj Yemen instead of Hadramaut, which could have been moved into Oman. But thinking about it while looking at the map makes me feel it's not a good idea. So it will rather be part of Hijaz.

 

[elvain]

status update:

province.bmp (the easiest part of the mod) is now done, so let's move to de jure setup.
We have already talked about Arabia, how about to move now to the farthest west... to West Africa:

and de jure duchies setup:

HELP request:
as the provinces are now done and I am now moving on to coding, would anyone be willing to help me with positions?
I would send you the provinces.bmp and a sketch map with locations of capitals and ports.

EDIT: first 2 posts with screenshot gallery and status report updated

 

[xXConquerorXx]

Why not just use Nudge?

 

[richvh]

Even using Nudge, doing positions is a lot of work.

 

[omega20056]

You could still split off Oman, it would just look like modern Saudi Arabia, which is also historical if you consider the religious and cultural make up of the area. Adding in Hijaz, Najd, and also Bahrain could also work, but then you'd have a bunch of tiny kingdoms, as historical as they are.

 

[omega20056]

well, that was actually the original plan (and current status) as you can see here:

PS: please ignore the missing localisations for now.
And on the other side of Red Sea, there is still one kingdom missing - the eastern half of Abyssinia will be kingdom/sultanate of Adal

Is Petra finally under Jerusalem?

 

[elvain]

Is Petra finally under Jerusalem?

Petra was abandoned in 7th century and it is no longer a province. The area though is part of Balqa'/Outrejourdan duchy as Ma'an province

You could still split off Oman, it would just look like modern Saudi Arabia

despite my original reluctance I'm leaning towards this option, having Yemen and Oman separated and the rest as k_arabia

The nudge question, well, it is quite lot of qork even with it and I kind of want the cities and ports being placed more or less accurately

 

[aruon]

awesome! i love how you aren't adding any new provinces so hopefully this can be made EU4 converter friendly at some point... and speaking of EU4 i especially like that you're connecting west africa with the rest, making it more like the EU4 map in that area and actually including the area which makes no sense to not have in the first place because of that whole area suddenly being magically inhabited in the next game.

as for wastelands, while i agree that they are irritating to have in the middle of a group of provinces, there's nothing to say they can't be prettied up (or uglied up if it's the case). instead of being a dark splotch, the wasteland (and occasionally provinces surrounded by wasteland) could be fat, thin, twisted, etc. in some places, like with the alps or better yet, colorado in the after the end mod. better reflecting the actual dead zones as they were.

 

[elvain]

awesome! i love how you aren't adding any new provinces so hopefully this can be made EU4 converter friendly at some point... and speaking of EU4 i especially like that you're connecting west africa with the rest, making it more like the EU4 map in that area and actually including the area which makes no sense to not have in the first place because of that whole area suddenly being magically inhabited in the next game.

Thanks.
Well, West Africa as it is on the vanilla map is desperate mostly because it is so (ahistoricaly) isolated and there is not much to do. I am sure that this very modest expansion of Africa will make that place interesting to play. 3 provinces added to the region itself and the neighbourhood of another West Africans to the east with corridor to the north are the necessary minimum this region desperately needed ever since.
Some of you might have noticed that I updated the screenshot gallery in the 2nd post, but for those who haven't, here is the overall look of Africa

as for wastelands, while i agree that they are irritating to have in the middle of a group of provinces, there's nothing to say they can't be prettied up (or uglied up if it's the case). instead of being a dark splotch, the wasteland (and occasionally provinces surrounded by wasteland) could be fat, thin, twisted, etc. in some places, like with the alps or better yet, colorado in the after the end mod. better reflecting the actual dead zones as they were.

thanks

 

[loup99]

Looks good!

 

[Isinfier]

Gorgeous.

 

[elvain]

Looks good!

Gorgeous.

Thanks to both of you. I'm glad you like it.

Let's the flow of screenies continue. Now we shall move on to north Africa AKA the Maghreb.
de jure setup:

and two provinces overviews:

west - Morocco and Algeria

Spoiler

east-Libya&Tunis

Spoiler

 

[omega20056]

This map is amazing, it almost makes me want to mod CK2 again. Would you consider improving the Danube areas later on?

 

[elvain]

Would you consider improving the Danube areas later on?

I can't rule it out. And frankly yes, I would like to. But I can't say much now. Even this - is time consuming and I have all (or rather most of) the research done already.