Map changes in westhern europe

[NaiveCarto]

An another version of map modified by me:

The Duchy Map found in CKIIwiki:

 

[NaiveCarto]

and see that:

 

[Amras89]

Hm.. The Island does not have the correct numbers of countries

 

[SkyGreen24]

Yeah and Ferrara turned into a single county duchy, I'm assuming those two are just some erros made during the outlining

 

[Thure]

Hm.. The Island does not have the correct numbers of countries

Pretty sure the colour was just to similiar and were merged by jpeg

 

[Andrelvis]

Here ya go.

View attachment 399535

Beautiful

 

[Silversweeeper]

Pretty sure the colour was just to similiar and were merged by jpeg

That's a possibility, but CK2's default for map mode "screenshots" is .png...

 

[El-Daddy]

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A few guesses.

1-4 - Ulaidh- No change
5-8 - Connachta - West Connacht added (Ua Flaithbheartaigh - Iarchonnacht or Uí Bhriúin Seola)- North Connacht (Úi Dhubhda of the Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, former kings of Connachta before they were usurped by the Uí Bhriúin dynasty). Connacht reduced to 8, Uí Bhriúin Ai, Ua Conchobhair dynasty. Bréifne reduced to 6.
9-12 Midhe - 9 Tethbha or Anghaile (Ua Fergail). 10 Gailenga or Brega 11 Currently Kildare. 12 Dublin.
13-16. Mumhain 12 Tuadhmumain. 14 Cashel (currently Úrmumhain Eoghanach Chaisil). 15. Ciarraige (Ua Conchobhair Ciarraige) 16. Eoghanacht Locha Léin (Desmond).
17-19 Laighin 17 Osraige (status quo). 18 North Leinster (Uí Dhúnlainge). 19 South Leinster (Uí Cheinnselaigh). This division probably needs work as Osraige reached south almost to the sea whereas 18 should move further west and 19 should push further north.

I've been too distracted by the unbelievable province changes that I didn't notice other big additions. Lough Neagh, Upper and Lower Lough Erne, and Lough Mask and Lough Corrib

And just look at that coastline, particularly the Ards peninsula, and Kerry.

 

[Spartanlemur]

and see that:
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I really hope they rework the Egyptian provinces.

Compared to the rest of the map, it now seems very weak, whereas it should be a real centre of power for the Islamic world.

 

[Snow Crystal]

That's a possibility, but CK2's default for map mode "screenshots" is .png...

I'm not sure what happened to Ferrara's color, that could've been a slip up from my side, but I'm pretty sure Iceland is because the guy who made it accidentally copied the colors from the old eastern province.

 

[NaiveCarto]

I really hope they rework the Egyptian provinces.

Compared to the rest of the map, it now seems very weak, whereas it should be a real centre of power for the Islamic world.

No, I feel the Iraq is too weak indeed now....
Egypt, acoordling to Abbasid taxation record, is far from very strong in taxation...
Maybe Al-Misr has been lost controlled by Abbasid that time...

Not Misr, but Al-Sawad was the centre of Islam before it was destroyed....

 

[Silversweeeper]

I'm not sure what happened to Ferrara's color, that could've been a slip up from my side, but I'm pretty sure Iceland is because the guy who made it accidentally copied the colors from the old eastern province.

There are a bunch of others too (e.g. k_sistan is basically united and d_sicily has the same colour despite having the same province setup (judging by DD#95) as in 2.8), which is why I was wondering if the screenshot wasn't from the start of the game. However, after looking at landed_titles.txt, there are some duplicate colours in 2.8 too...

 

[Furleppe]

I love new provinces but can't help but worry a little about performance. IIRC @Snow Crystal mentioned that Holy Fury is 10-15% faster than current version of the game but since then you added a loot more provinces. Is it still as fast or faster the current version?

Or it was those performance improvements that allowed you to add so many new provinces in the first place?

 

[El-Daddy]

I love new provinces but can't help but worry a little about performance. IIRC @Snow Crystal mentioned that Holy Fury is 10-15% faster than current version of the game but since then you added a loot more provinces. Is it still as fast or faster the current version?

Or it was those performance improvements that allowed you to add so many new provinces in the first place?

Including the new provinces, performance is better.

 

[Spartanlemur]

No, I feel the Iraq is too weak indeed now....
Egypt, acoordling to Abbasid taxation record, is far from very strong in taxation...
Maybe Al-Misr has been lost controlled by Abbasid that time...

Population seems more important for provinces and going by this, Egypt should not be much weaker than Anatolia (5 million compared to 7 million).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1000

Though I think the most important thing would be to have provinces better reflecting the shape of the Nile, as we see in EU4.

Abbasids (Iraq) have a population of 1.2 million, which is a quarter of what Egypt has. Though I'm not saying we shouldn't have more provinces in Iraq (and compared to how many there are now in Palestine, perhaps we should) - I just think that Egypt is in a worse state at the moment.

 

[Snow Crystal]

I love new provinces but can't help but worry a little about performance. IIRC @Snow Crystal mentioned that Holy Fury is 10-15% faster than current version of the game but since then you added a loot more provinces. Is it still as fast or faster the current version?

Or it was those performance improvements that allowed you to add so many new provinces in the first place?

It is still faster than live. Though by how much is difficult to say.

 

[JJDXB]

Brittany

1: Léon / Leon (Bro-Leon)
2. Trégor / Dreger (Bro-Dreger)
3. (Pays) St. Brieuc / (Bro-) Sant-Brieg
4. Rennes (Pays Rennais) / Roazhon (Bro-Roazhon)
5. Cornouaille / Kernev (Bro-Kernev)
6. Poher / Poc'hêr
7. Vannes (Pays Vannetais) / Gwened (Bro-Wened)
8. Nantes (Pays Nantes) / Naoned (Bro-Naoned)
9. Pays de Retz / Bro-Raez

 

[elvain]

Population seems more important for provinces and going by this, Egypt should not be much weaker than Anatolia (5 million compared to 7 million).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1000

Though I think the most important thing would be to have provinces better reflecting the shape of the Nile, as we see in EU4.

Abbasids (Iraq) have a population of 1.2 million, which is a quarter of what Egypt has. Though I'm not saying we shouldn't have more provinces in Iraq (and compared to how many there are now in Palestine, perhaps we should) - I just think that Egypt is in a worse state at the moment.

This is partly comparing incomparable. Iraq at that time was under a period of turmoil, while Egypt was just after entering the peak of its power.

While Fatimid conquest of Egypt was one single successfull operation, Iraq during Buyid period was full of various wars, raids and other instability. Still I think the 1.2 million estimate is little too small.

Your assumption is correct though, since after the 10th century Egypt was more stable than Iraq, which was already behind its best times.

However, Egypt as it is in game is quite powerfull even now. Although it is mostly due to the Mamluk mercenary band being Egypt's vasal.
I also agree that Egypt would deserve some nice adjustment, but not a drastic power-rise.

 

[TheDungen]

Egypt has always been the breadbasket of the Mediterranean, producing a huge chunk of all the food contained in the region. I don't think any paradox game has ever explored that importance.

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

Pretty sure the colour was just to similiar and were merged by jpeg

In some cases (e.g. the counties in the de jure duchies of Apulia, Benevento, Capua maybe Sicily) the colors of the single counties are actually identical. It's a minor thing, but I really hope the devs address this. It's nice to be able to differentiate between counties in cases like this.