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In the current map, the counties of Abkhazia and Kasogia, and maybe Tmutarakan and Kuban too.
That I gotta say heck no Georgian is already a small culture no need to reduce it alongside Alan which I see go extinct all the time. And if it was added by itself which culture group would it go in? Also new Georgia and Alania Rework by SnowCrystal.
 

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@Snow Crystal Any chance of us receiving a Bulgaria/Balkans rework? The region is going to feel much weaker than it already does due to the increased granulation of surrounding provinces.

Also, is that a navigable Caspian Sea to accompany the Georgia rework? :O
 
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There is little point to adding a lot of cultures before they improve on the way cultures are handled in game. Currently both player and AI just pave over the local cultures to create a great big mono-culture blob, because this is the only efficient way to build a cohesive realm.

If they added a way for these minority cultures to actually survive and achieve some kind of tolerated status within a larger realm, then they would add a lot of flavor to the game.

Tolerance (assimilation rate) could be connected to centralisation.
centralised - assimilation is more probably
decentralised - assimilation is less probably and minorities can survive longer
 

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@Snow Crystal Any chance of us receiving a Bulgaria/Balkans rework? The region is going to feel much weaker than it already does due to the increased granulation of surrounding provinces.

Balkans yes, Bulgaria no.

Also, is that a navigable Caspian Sea to accompany the Georgia rework? :O

The Caspian Sea was always navigable, just difficult to get to.

The Theme system, in Anatolia just like in Greece. Lovely.

That was the inspiration, yes.
 

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Any confirmation for the break up of Tartar/Altaic Cultures in Late Game to create all those cultures present during the first start date of EU4, say for example:
  • Astrakhani
  • Bashkir
  • Crimean
  • Kazani
  • Mishar
  • Nogai
  • Siberian
As well as rethinking East Slavic cultures, where instead of all becoming Russian they actually subdivide into 3 general cultures into each of their 3 general regions:
  • Byelorussian
  • Russian
  • Ruthenian
 

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Any confirmation for the break up of Tartar/Altaic Cultures in Late Game to create all those cultures present during the first start date of EU4, say for example:
  • Astrakhani
  • Bashkir
  • Crimean
  • Kazani
  • Mishar
  • Nogai
  • Siberian
As well as rethinking East Slavic cultures, where instead of all becoming Russian they actually subdivide into 3 general cultures into each of their 3 general regions:
  • Byelorussian
  • Russian
  • Ruthenian
"Tartar/Altaic" is a tough nut to crack because CK2 already goes broad-strokes with Turco-Mongolic cultures. This is especially true because many of these groups don't become distinct cultures until well after CK2's timeframe. For ex, it's hard to describe the Nogais as a specific culture in most of CK2's play space; they're of the Mangghud tribe of Mongols. But many of the origins of these groups are very obscure. For ex, the Naimans - they're Mongols in CK2, but in reality they were probably originally Turks from a group called the Sekiz-Oghuz, who adopted a Mongolic language. Or maybe they were related to the Yenisei Kyrgyz. Or maybe they were related to a Siberian people called the Az. Or maybe they popped out of a hole in the ground. Many of these guys we just do not know, but we can broad-stroke it.

I'd divide the steppe cultures up this way, myself:

* West Turkic culture group: Oghuz, Pecheneg, Khazar, Bolghar. (Oghuz Turks who convert to Islam and hold an Iqta county, or are in Persia, get a melting-pot event to form Turkish.)
* East Turkic culture group: Kipchak (Cuman), Kyrgyz, Karluk, Uyghur.
* Mongolic: Mongol, Naiman, Oirat, Khitan.
* Finno-Ugric: Magyar.
* Iranian: Alan. Avar?

Byelorussian is also anachronistic for this period, but I could see Ruthenian. For the most part, the "Russians" in CK2's time period would've spoken Old East Slavic until some divergence in maybe the 1200s, when you started to see a form of Old East Slavic which took on Polish and Lithuanian influences. I can see Russians who are Catholic, or vassals in a Polish or Lithuanian realm, or holding a Polish or Lithuanian province, receiving a melting pot in which the Ruthenian language begins to take shape.
 
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I say keep Russia Russian, also the Altaic group is already diverse enough and filled with cultures that go extinct fast. What are some other nonmelting pot cultures people want to see? I only know about cultures in the byzie sphere.

Also Snow you should totally give us another hint it spiced up discussion last time.
 

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Not much of a hint if everyone can instantly guess it, is it? :eek:
To be fair Crimean goths were extremely expected and it’s in the name.

How about something as general as Italy has a invader in the peninsula like the lombards or Russia has another new nomadic arrival like shown with the Burtas,

Or relatedly how about are Burtas still Turkic?
 
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Irish didn't go to Britain until the Dál Riada of around 500-600 AD :D

But yeah, I can agree with you on everything else, esp with the Finno-Ugrics.

That is absolutely incorrect, St. Patrick converted the Irish Celts in the 5th century almost a hundred years before your date. Further Celts were present in Ireland in addition to the rest of Britain during the 1st century BC