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Nice, all the provinces up to Vienna this time around, or does that give you unwanted borders?
 

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Sucks to be austria.
Doing well you are!

Well Austria can only blame itself for the problems that befell her. A simple alliance would have solved her problems with me.

Who said that Austria was strong?

It seems that since 3.2b Austria forgot how to expand at all :eek:

Nice, all the provinces up to Vienna this time around, or does that give you unwanted borders?

It will give me unwanted borders: I will be bordering Hungary and Bavaria, the latter being the HRE :( I will have to divert some attentionn to those nations before heading West.
 

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I guess this spells "the end" for Austria. Ever since I got IN, Austria went from being a raging Behemoth to being a sleeping giant, only awakening after say a century or 2.

And that with all their potential. Nice decisions, nice missions, nice provinces, decent starting position, pretty much *in* northern Italy and next to cash cow Aquilea (2 gold provinces.. out of 4..).

In my recent WC with a Protestant Venice (I aimed to max out income, anyone like to take a guess at what I ended up with as a monthly income? All provinces cored, all provinces protestant, all provinces colonised, capital in Liwa to counter the jungle penalties) I took out Aquilea first, the best possible option you have. Believe me, with those two gold provinces, you are all set for a wonderfull tech advantage. Too bad I couldnt wreck my CoT in Venize and set one up in Gorz, 2.6 units of gold would have been awesome :drool:

Too bad Venice is not an OPM, I could have made an AAR about that WC then, twas hugely different from this one, which only goes to show, how the Eu3 engine makes sure that not a single game is the same.

But enough blabbering, on to the matter at hand.

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This goes to show that the AI's peace making mechanisms should be rewritten a tad. I have thrice as many soldiers as their alliance, less WE, occupied one of the alliance members completely and yet they ask me to give them gold?

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I just laughed at their previous demands and went on to proposing a more serious peace agreement. I didn't bother with occupying any other province but Nice, I do not want any(!) borders with France yet. This means I can only take Nice, which gives me a border with Provence, which is a vassal of France, but I dont think they will be annexed anytime soon.

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A little overview of the tech screen: My aim now is prod 9 in order to build workshops. I usually go for max stab, then all the way to gov 9 for two NIs and then straight for prod 9. After that it's all going to be land and gov. I always beeline for every tech I want.

I dont splice my tech advancement.

Im also running at 0 inflation, which is nice. I mint as much as I can while remaining at 0.

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I always keep an eye out for Russia. I hate fightning there, WE is just waiting for you at every corner.

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Since I have sufficient forces to deal with either the large revolt or the pretender I go for a cent move.

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I get the large revolt, that is not as large as it sounds. Just 2 rebelling provinces.

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This is why I didnt want the border with France just yet.

I stopped with conquering Austria here, because there would be no point in getting more land: If I would have continued I might have gotten Steirmark as an additional province, but that would have meant an even close proximity to Bohemia, which i dont want. I want to reduce borders with decent enemies for the inevitable show down with France.

This peace agreement, gives me borders with Hungary and Bavaria, but Hungary is having rebel troubles, and as always, is in general bad shape, leaving me with Bavaria and their 20k troops to take care of. After that I can focus on france.

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A nice screenie of the mantuan empire, nice and continuous.

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My huge income :(

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The armies I'm paying with minting. If not for the national bank, I could not keep up an army this size, not with a yearly income like this.

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Probably the last kissing up for this game, Im making sure I stay good friends with France, up until the very moment I'll strike at their chest.


Ill repeat the question stated earlier, the one giving the right answer will get a cookie:

Situation:

A game with Venice, all provinces cored, all provinces protestant, all provinces colonised, capital in Liwa to counter the jungle penalties.
All province upgrades that increase the price of a good are build (including shipyards and regimental camps) in every possible province.
All decisions that increase income have been taken.
All NI's that increase income have been taken.

The question now is : What's my monthly income?
 
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Well, I remember in my France game in the early 1600s where I controlled all France's Euro cores, most of North America (except about 15 un-colonised provinces - I was getting there), roughly half of South America, all England and most of Holland... my yearly income was in the 2,000+ range from memory. My monthly income though was (from memory) 700 odd.

So I am guessing with owning all the world (you did mention WC, and I barely owned 1/4 of Europe, let alone none of Asia or Africa) much later in the game, we'd be talking exponentially higher. I'd guess... 50 times higher? So my guess would be 35,000.
 

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9999 and 9? :D

9999 and 9: you mean 99999 or 9999,9? Both are wrong though :)

Hmm, 8,000?

I have no idea, but I'm sure it'll be a phenomenal amount...

It's decent to say the least :) More that 8k though :D

well that depends WHEN since prov's get rucher with time espescaly america, but I'll go for 5000 ducats a month

Progression of time does not matter, only the building of neccesary buildings/slider changes/units of tradegoods produce. It's more than 5k :)

Too much? :D

That's the opposite of me...I treat all techs fairly :p

It's not too much, it's not enough :) I never treat all techs fairly, not until Im ages ahead in tech.

DITTO!!! I love the AAR btw. I read the other one and it was great!

Thanks :)

Well, I remember in my France game in the early 1600s where I controlled all France's Euro cores, most of North America (except about 15 un-colonised provinces - I was getting there), roughly half of South America, all England and most of Holland... my yearly income was in the 2,000+ range from memory. My monthly income though was (from memory) 700 odd.

So I am guessing with owning all the world (you did mention WC, and I barely owned 1/4 of Europe, let alone none of Asia or Africa) much later in the game, we'd be talking exponentially higher. I'd guess... 50 times higher? So my guess would be 35,000.

It was a WC indeed (the last enemy Japan, bit the dust in the early 17th century). But alas it is not that much :( A montly income of 35k would be awesome though :)

Im keeping the question open for tad, we now know it's between 9999 and 35k :D
 

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That'll be a heck of a large income. Any trade still going on?

I'd say more than 20,000 ducats. Probably even more than 30,000 ducats!

Edit: emu'd by the master himself... I'll settle for 20,000 ducats monthly income, then! :)
 

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That'll be a heck of a large income. Any trade still going on?

I'd say more than 20,000 ducats. Probably even more than 30,000 ducats!

Edit: emu'd by the master himself... I'll settle for 20,000 ducats monthly income, then! :)

Close but no sigar :)

And yes there is a ton of trading going on, seeing as I own all the trade centers, have monopolies in all of them and not a single competitor :rofl:

They are making some sick money!
 

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All in all I think I can safely state that the war with Austria did Hungary little to no good.

Yes I think I can safely state that indeed.

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A core! Now Im swimming in them!

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Some more silly AIness. What the hell? Castille is conquering the Magreb and the Ottomans step in?

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And some more dogpiling. Im guessing we wont be seeing much more the Hapsburgs now.

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Trying to keep the BB to a minimum, still around 40 years ahead till we reach BB wars. Diplomats are by far my favorite advisor.

But: This is all fluff; The main issue is: When will I be attacking France?

Well the answer is: Not yet. Why not yet? Because I have two *bad* borders atm. One with Hungary that is down but not out. And one with Bavaria that has expanded quitte a bit for an AI state.

First secure your borders, then fight the good fight.

Nothing like a dagger in the back to make a nation lose it's wars.

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And this shows whom I need to target first :)

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Some more crap events. Either 1 stab or a loss in a tech. I get these because Im narrowminded, or at least I think that's why Im getting them.

No matter narrowminded is the way to go, to convert everyone to the right faith.

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Since Hungary teamed up with Bohemia and Wurtenburg is the HRE, Ill go for Bohemia.

Can't DoW Hungary since that brings in France, can't dow lith since that brings in a huge Poland, leaving me with little choice in the matter.

Hungary needs to go!

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I start with attacking their troops as they finish with some rebels.

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Check out Styria, rebels in Austria after the pillaging by Bohemia, and rebels in Hungary after the war with Austria caused this neat looking country.

They close me off from Austria so that's all good.

Not much of a war this is, with Hungary being all shoddy after the last war:

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I actually changed the way I fight wars after my game with Venice. What I did this time around is take the fight to them, what I do now is make 15k cav stacks and keep those in my own lands, and make 10k inf stacks that storm provinces.

The benefit of the latter strategy is two fold: If you use 10k stacks instaed of 15k stacks of infantery you will almost never get attrition if you use a half decent general, even in Russia. If you only fight on your own turf you will never get any attrition either and the enemy will. So the 10k inf stacks move in and take provinces, always avoiding the enemy mega stacks, whilst the cav armies follow up in the conquered provinces always ready to intercept the enemy.

Anyways in this AAR im still using 15k inf stacks and 15k cav stacks :(

It's not terrible, but using 10k inf stacks is just a whole lot cleaner and easier to avoid WE with, whilst not losing any utility.

To top it off a map of 1466:

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Then I'll up the ante to 25,000 ducats monthly income. It's Venice after all! :)

Interesting, your reasoning of using 10k Inf stacks. It's what I've been doing lately, but I usually don't storm forts. That's far to expensive for my taste.
 

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Although not a part of this WC, Im still going to show off some of the end game screenshots of my finished WC with Venice :D

Im not going to spend any time explaining anything, since it's all pretty straightforward, just some screenshots I thought might be interesting :)

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:rofl:
 

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