manpower a constant

[unmerged(3155)]

I am playing my first campaign in EU2. I am playing Prussia, when I began, with only 2 provinces, my max manpower was 4. Since then I have taken all of Poland north of Krakow and the 2 Teutonic provinces south of Livonia. I now control 9 provinces in all, yet my maximum manpower is still a measly 4, making it extremely difficult to raise adequate armies. I noticed that some provinces had a 1 manpower before I conquered them, then they changed to zero under my control. Please tell me this is a bug or something and not a feature, and that I can fix it.

 

[unmerged(1064)]

One of the income screens, 13 I think, lists manpower down to one or two decimal places. The basic province info you see truncates off any fractions. So a province with 0.8 manpower per year (why? I don't know) would show up as zero.

 

[celedhring]

Yes, I already noticed this in EU, specially in ROTW cities. When I conquered them, its manpower plummeted to 0. I thought it was a weird feature of some sorts that prevented you to use ROTW manpower to raise your armies, which is more or less historical as the bulk of colonial armies had to be "imported" from Europe. But it would be good if somebody explained this more clearly.

 

[Kedryn]

Maybe the -30% from differing culture and religion subtract from the manpower of provinces as well. This could knock something down into a fraction.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by celedhring
Yes, I already noticed this in EU, specially in ROTW cities. When I conquered them, its manpower plummeted to 0. I thought it was a weird feature of some sorts that prevented you to use ROTW manpower to raise your armies, which is more or less historical as the bulk of colonial armies had to be "imported" from Europe. But it would be good if somebody explained this more clearly.

Manpower is that pool of sldiers that can be built, not how many u can levy in a city (which suffers from the incoem penalties). Colonies do not count towards manpower. THough in this case Prussia should have some more than MP 4

 

[celedhring]

Originally posted by BiB


Manpower is that pool of sldiers that can be built, not how many u can levy in a city (which suffers from the incoem penalties). Colonies do not count towards manpower. THough in this case Prussia should have some more than MP 4

Yes, I know, but I always wondered by, when I took cities in India, I only got 0 manpower for them, despite they were HUGE.

 

[unmerged(3155)]

There is definately something wrong here, because I just got into a war with Bohemia, who has taken all of Brandenburg, and they marched at me with an army of 75000. They have a country roughly the same size as mine, and have a few different cultures, we should have at least somewhat comparable manpower capacities, it would have taken me nearly 20 years of constant military buildup with no battles or attrition to get an army of that size. I doubt they could have done this, considering that they have been involved in wars for nearly the entire game so far, and it is only 1448. Even if culture knocked down all my provinces into fractions, my MP should have went up by at least one after aquiring 7 provinces. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can fix this?

 

[unmerged(1896)]

I'm wondering about this too. I'm playing Portugal right now in the grand campaign and haven't gotten any extra manpower from the North Africans I've conquered.

Do you only get manpower from your national provinces? The reason I was wondering was that when I pushed my colony on the Azores up to a city, I recieved 0.3 manpower for it. I've got a couple 1500 man colonies in the Americas and have gotten 0 manpower for them.

Can anyone explain manpower?

 

[unmerged(598)]

IIRC the huge AI armies is a known problem and had been fixed in 1.02.

If I'm wrong a beta tester will be here to say so soon

 

[unmerged(3155)]

Originally posted by Opti

Do you only get manpower from your national provinces? The reason I was wondering was that when I pushed my colony on the Azores up to a city, I recieved 0.3 manpower for it. I've got a couple 1500 man colonies in the Americas and have gotten 0 manpower for them.

You should get manpower from provinces other than nationals, but not from colonies.

Anyway, I checked the savegame file, and I have the smallest manpower of any nation in the game at this time. Most countries have between 10 and 20, some are as high as 30. In terms of provinces, I am on the larger side of the spectrum at this point and I can only get a MP of 4 which is ridiculous. Does anyone know how I can remedy this problem, because it makes the game no fun to play, since it is so unfair.

 

[unmerged(598)]

Kaiser, which provinces do you have?

How is your culture mix compared with a similar nation, with similar provinces?

 

[unmerged(3155)]

My provinces are Prussia, Memel, Kurland, Polotsk, Danzig, Masovia, Podlasia, Weilkopolska, and Poznan. True, I do have several cultures, German, Baltic, Polish, and Russian, but should they not affect my MP AT ALL?? There are really no other countries with similar culture mixes. Maybe the Polish provinces should not contribute much, but Danzig is a large wealthy GERMAN city, yet when I aquired it my MP stood unchanged. It should have changed by at least one. Can I not gain anymore manpower throughout the rest of the game no matter how large I get? If this is not a bug then I will be very disappointed, because it will be impossible for me to hold onto my land with power hugry neighbors with 5 or 6 times my recruitment capacity, how can I be expected to compete?

 

[State Machine]

Stability and domestic policy affect manpower, too. If you are at maximum quality, then manpower is reduced 50% or something. You get a bonus at stability +2 and +3.

But still, it sounds much too low.

 

[unmerged(4594)]

Originally posted by dunkler Kaiser
You should get manpower from provinces other than nationals, but not from colonies.

To be more precise, you get manpower from province on the same continent as your capital. Continent is a EU2 continent, not the fact that the province is on the same land mass as the capital city. For instance, Portugual won't get any manpower from its NA or Africa provinces. Russia may get manpower from provinces in Europe but not from provinces in Asia (I don't know the exact EU2 continent for Russia Capital, though). Another example : when playing China, you get extra manpower from provinces in India but not from Ukranian provinces.

VKV

 

[unmerged(3155)]

Originally posted by State Machine
Stability and domestic policy affect manpower, too. If you are at maximum quality, then manpower is reduced 50% or something. You get a bonus at stability +2 and +3.

I tried changing some policies, and they did not affect my manpower either, I seem to be locked in 4 max 2/yr. Stab is +3 now, but has been as low as 0, with no change in MP ever since day 1.

 

[unmerged(3155)]

Just aquired Brandenburg, Keusterin, and Silesia in a treaty with Bohemia, ans still no change in MP.

Does anyone know where these values (max MP and per year) are represented in the .eug file, maybe I can change them and it will help for a little while. Does anyone think reinstalling would help?

 

[Kedryn]

The manpower ratings would be located in the province.csv file, I believe. Just go through the events.txt and look for one that increases manpower. Use that a few times, and that should help...

 

[unmerged(598)]

Originally posted by Kedryn
The manpower ratings would be located in the province.csv file, I believe. Just go through the events.txt and look for one that increases manpower. Use that a few times, and that should help...

AFAIK the province.csv data gets loaded on game startup. The provinces's info is then stored in the save file?

These are the two entries for London:

city = {
name = "London"
population = 447603.593750
location = 247
shipyard = no
barrack = no
bailiff = yes
cityrights = no
courthouse = yes
fortress = { level = 4.000000 date = { year = 1629 month = august day = 4 } increase = no }
capital = yes
date = { year = 0 month = january day = 0 }
}
province = {
id = 247
date = { year = 1654 month = may day = 0 }
nationalism = { year = 0 month = january day = 0 }
looted = no
winter = no
storm = no
whiteman = yes
natives = 0
income = 18
wilderness = 0
tax = 18
ferocity = 0
efficiency = 0
negotiation = 0
tolerance = 0
max = 0
religion = protestant
}
To complicate matters, the first entry (with fortress details etc) is under the nation, and that gives you the province id (location.) Then, scroll to the beginning of the file and do a search on the pid and you should arrive at the raw province info -income, religion, etc.




Now, I think that manpower is calculated from the income. That's one of the reasons why a blockaded province raises fewer troops. Unfortunately for Kaiser, I think the game makes calculations based on it being a national province, and also cultural differences.

Being pegged at Level 4 sounds more like a bug, especially having taking Danzig.

BTW, the example is from EU1, if it's any different in EU2 please let me know.

 

[Raul The Runt]

Same thing happening to me as Toltec

The Toltec nation starts with MP of 4. I then conquored Aztecs and Mayans over 50 years. Now my MP is 4?! This certainly doesn't seem right to me?

Raul the Runt.

 

[unmerged(4219)]

There was a feature in EU 1 where a country would have a minimum manpower of 10, no matter how small. This seems to have not translated well in to EU 2. The translation of this into EU 2 may be a partial explanation for the manpower-4 stick, as well as the giant minor armies.