Manchukuo

[Evan05]

Hello.

I watched the World War Wednesday Part 3 yesterday on Twitch, and when they looked as East Asia, one of the Devs in the video commented that Manchukuo wasn't formed (or something along those lines) and then the other Dev followed up with saying that Japan hasn't formed Manchukuo yet (I'm paraphrasing of course).

However, this doesn't make sense. The Japanese player cannot form Manchukuo because the Manchukuo puppet state was established in 1932. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchukuo
Four years before the game earliest start date.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Devs never had that conversation in the stream and I'm just making it up as a memory, I was very tired when I watched the stream, but even then in all the screen shot I've seen, there has been no Manchukuo. I looked around and not found a single screenshot in which Manchukuo was in the game.

I think the Devs should have Manhcukuo already existent by the 1936 and '39 start dates, since it did historically exist by '36 and '39.

 

[Thanik]

Maybe this is better for gameplay reasons - japan can directly control factories ,resources and naval yards there (so no useless stuff),, or Japan have some national focus tree which remove Manchukuo from map.

 

[Fulmen]

I'm pretty sure Manchukuo is not in the game, and that they made that choice to help the AI.

I wonder if its cores are there though, so that a human player could release it.

 

[Evan05]

Maybe this is better for gameplay reasons - japan can directly control factories ,resources and naval yards there (so no useless stuff),, or Japan have some national focus tree which remove Manchukuo from map.

Wouldn't it just make more sense to put more factories in Japan and Korea (which was directly administrated by the Japanese). Don't get me wrong, I do favor game play over historical accuracy, but in this case we can have both. Simply remove any factories that could be located in a mountainous, desert region (as it wouldn't make sense to have many factories there in the first place) and move them to Japan's mainland and Korea.

I'm pretty sure Manchukuo is not in the game, and that they made that choice to help the AI.

I wonder if its cores are there though, so that a human player could release it.

Wouldn't that be a bit too OP if a human plays Japan then? As stated above, I think simply moving the factories to Japan without compromising on historical accuracy would have the best result.

 

[Caesar15]

Maybe this is better for gameplay reasons - japan can directly control factories ,resources and naval yards there (so no useless stuff),, or Japan have some national focus tree which remove Manchukuo from map.

I think this as well. Gameplay reasons most likely.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

And in reality, Manchukuo was de facto operated by the Kwantung Army, which could supply itself with local industries even when cut off from Japan, and it led to the frequent insubordinate behaviors against Tokyo because they could afford to.

 

[Vonboe]

Hello.

I watched the World War Wednesday Part 3 yesterday on Twitch, and when they looked as East Asia, one of the Devs in the video commented that Manchukuo wasn't formed (or something along those lines) and then the other Dev followed up with saying that Japan hasn't formed Manchukuo yet (I'm paraphrasing of course).

Yeah, when I heard him claim Manchukuo wasn't "formed" by 1936 I spat a mouthful of coffee on my screen

 

[Thanik]

Wouldn't it just make more sense to put more factories in Japan and Korea (which was directly administrated by the Japanese). Don't get me wrong, I do favor game play over historical accuracy, but in this case we can have both. Simply remove any factories that could be located in a mountainous, desert region (as it wouldn't make sense to have many factories there in the first place) and move them to Japan's mainland and Korea.

Good idea, but I think this is better to control ALL factories, and provinces there to avoid supply or AI problems - annexing Manchukuo via modding make wonderfull things for japanese and chinese AI.

Wouldn't that be a bit too OP if a human plays Japan then? As stated above, I think simply moving the factories to Japan without compromising on historical accuracy would have the best result.

We don't know about game balance there. Maybe there are different options for japanese AI, japanese player, or in MP to avoid weird outcome of war.
As japanese player in HoI 2, or 3 (especially on harderst difficulty) that was good choice for me to release Manchukuo, and conquer them for direct control of their resources, and better control for supply.

Overall I agree with your point about that, lets wait for DD, or video gameplay about Japan, China or Asia.

 

[ringhloth]

When they said Manchukuo wasn't formed, they probably meant Mengkukuo.

 

[Fulmen]

When they said Manchukuo wasn't formed, they probably meant Mengkukuo.

It's a bit silly if they have Mengjiang in the game but not Manchukuo.

 

[Evan05]

We don't know about game balance there. Maybe there are different options for japanese AI, japanese player, or in MP to avoid weird outcome of war.
As japanese player in HoI 2, or 3 (especially on harderst difficulty) that was good choice for me to release Manchukuo, and conquer them for direct control of their resources, and better control for supply.

Overall I agree with your point about that, lets wait for DD, or video gameplay about Japan, China or Asia.

Yeah. Hopefully we see it when they finally do the Japanese DD, or explain why they didn't include Manchukuo.