How? It's not like the father matters, any child that came out of her would probably be considered legitimate.
Male concubines in Holy Fury?
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You brought up her knowledge or parentage?
I'm aruging that if she has several consorts and a husband, and regular sexual intercourse with all of them, NO ONE KNOWs, so the Child of Concubine (or whatever it is called in this case) doesn't make any sense, as this trait represents a slightly lower prestige for the child because it is public knowledge that it its not a child of the prime marriage.
The rest of the game separates information that is public knowledge and information that is secret. I'm merely arguing that in the case i described it cannot be public knowledge.
But exactly that isn't the case. Some children are more legitimate (without trait) than others (with trait). My argument is: how should they know?
Well, they should all have the trait child of concubine, but that's just splitting hairs. The whole concubine system was always unnecessary and should just have been polygamy/polyandry.
Not saying this is a bug or even an oversight. Its a qurik i find illogical, nothing more.
I cannot really agree on the rest as polygamy/polyandry are very different from concubinate. Both in game mechanics as well as on a theoretical level. I'm glad they offer both
I cannot really agree on the rest as polygamy/polyandry are very different from concubinate. Both in game mechanics as well as on a theoretical level. I'm glad they offer both
Well, at least enatic clans and poligamy are mutually exclusive, don't see for equality though
Just tried Reformed African with Equality doctrine - can confirm that male concubines are available with that rule, too.
What precisely is the requirements for male concubines? Is it specific religions? If so, which ones? Is it a combination of specific doctrines? If so which ones.
From the children's bloodlines, obviously:
"Oh that young little boy definitely looks strong, he must have been fathered by my Arpad-Karolingian-Attilla-blooded consort, no doubt!"
Some religions (African pagan) have it for free. For other religions that allow concubines you need either equality doctrine (or you can use tech to increase tolerance and get full status of women) or I think enatic clans (I always forget which clan is which).
Enatic (female) clans on it's own doesn't give it. I have a customised catholic enatic clans and my female ruler can't get consorts. Tried the same with tengri, same results.
That's interesting. I thought for sure someone said that's how they got consorts.
Afaik, the religion needs 2 modifiers:
First it needs this one: max_consorts (and the value cannot be 0)
Secondly it needs: women_can_take_consorts
Don't know if the second gets applied AFTER you reform with enactiv (or equality), as base norse (for example) doesn't have this modifier.
First it needs this one: max_consorts (and the value cannot be 0)
Secondly it needs: women_can_take_consorts
Don't know if the second gets applied AFTER you reform with enactiv (or equality), as base norse (for example) doesn't have this modifier.
Yes that's the case, women are set to allow consorts if your religion allows it. I believe all pagan religions allow 3 consorts by default. There isn't anything that increases the number of consorts that can be taken.
Catholics can only take consorts if they are tribal, the religion doesn't allow it otherwise.
If that was true, the tengri game mentioned previously would have allowed consorts.
Nope, that's wrong as well. The custom catholic game I mentioned above is in fact a tribal world start. No consorts possible.
As others have pointed out, African (and Romuva as well) allow consort even when unreformed; those faiths don't lose the ability to have consorts even once reformed (they might if you chose Agnatic Clans when reforming--I haven't tried that).
BTW, the tooltips and most other information refers to rulers being allow concubines/consorts, but a character doesn't have to be a ruler to have 'em. Click on a character in your court and you can grant them another character as a concubine or consort.
Hey. New player, first post, but I'm actually playing as a Feudal Pagan Mali Empire with consorts right now. I can confirm West African does not need equality or egnatic clans to use them (I took cosomopolitian, totem guardians, sea-bound and Temporal when reforming).
One fun thing you can do with cosmopolitan + consorts is marry your daughters off to the Christians and Muslims, and send them consorts once they arrive in foreign courts (They lose their consorts when they marry/move out, so don't assign them beforehand); The consorts will ensure some of the kids are of your bloodline/religion. I'm not sure this has any use beyond generating future adventurer claims against you, but it is quite fun to cuck the Karlings and company.
Also, I'm not sure if this is buggy or not, but with Eldership succession and no further changes to succession laws, I can actually appoint female heirs. As a female ruler with consorts, I can take non-materlinial marriages, and still likely have some bloodline children, thus allowing me to take whatever husband I want for the stat-boost/non-aggression pact. I can then marry off any non-bloodline children that I like to their distant cousins (materillinially if necessary) and demand they convert to African while they are in my court. I've experimented with marrying Christian Rulers to ensure that they are succeeded by African heirs of my bloodline, but Europe is very good at gobbling up the lands of any African ruler who is not part of my realm, and I'm not terribly interested in colonizing Europe directly - It is enough of a logistical nightmare to control most of Africa along with some of Arabia and India. I'm sure there is a good way to exploit this for bloodlines, but I am new and I don't know where to find them aside from the Karlings, Vikings, and Mongols (who are Hindu this playthrough and refuse to wed their children to my casteless bloodline).
One fun thing you can do with cosmopolitan + consorts is marry your daughters off to the Christians and Muslims, and send them consorts once they arrive in foreign courts (They lose their consorts when they marry/move out, so don't assign them beforehand); The consorts will ensure some of the kids are of your bloodline/religion. I'm not sure this has any use beyond generating future adventurer claims against you, but it is quite fun to cuck the Karlings and company.
Also, I'm not sure if this is buggy or not, but with Eldership succession and no further changes to succession laws, I can actually appoint female heirs. As a female ruler with consorts, I can take non-materlinial marriages, and still likely have some bloodline children, thus allowing me to take whatever husband I want for the stat-boost/non-aggression pact. I can then marry off any non-bloodline children that I like to their distant cousins (materillinially if necessary) and demand they convert to African while they are in my court. I've experimented with marrying Christian Rulers to ensure that they are succeeded by African heirs of my bloodline, but Europe is very good at gobbling up the lands of any African ruler who is not part of my realm, and I'm not terribly interested in colonizing Europe directly - It is enough of a logistical nightmare to control most of Africa along with some of Arabia and India. I'm sure there is a good way to exploit this for bloodlines, but I am new and I don't know where to find them aside from the Karlings, Vikings, and Mongols (who are Hindu this playthrough and refuse to wed their children to my casteless bloodline).
Not only rulers, but all adult women with the religion will be able to take or be given male consorts.
Once I gave all my realm holdings to dynasts. For women, I first give them 4 decision generated spouse and consorts, 2 commanders, 1 noble and 1 holy men, before landing them to a court to breed. Nice councilors to start right there. And I didn't have to worry for them not getting constantly impregnated.
Once I gave all my realm holdings to dynasts. For women, I first give them 4 decision generated spouse and consorts, 2 commanders, 1 noble and 1 holy men, before landing them to a court to breed. Nice councilors to start right there. And I didn't have to worry for them not getting constantly impregnated.
This really upgrades an intrigue game. The problem with Christians is that you can't pack their court with concubines and secondary wives. But with this setting, you can pack a Karling court with high intrigue male consorts, who have your culture and Pagan religion, in no time. If you are an emperor and haven't taken Francia yet, favor invite Gufio Karling (or his brother) and give him a county and a vassal-less kingdom title. Immediately imprison when it can be done for 100%.
Just 2~3 easy plot murders and you have taken the united Francia without sweat. It's way better than pressing Theoderic's claim as you can get both kingdom titles at once from the united Francia, and even extra kingdoms if Karl managed to take over Italy and/or Saxony through your imprisoned vassal multi-king Gufio, who you can revoke kingdom titles from or execute depends on your preference. In fact, send your raiders to help Karl to take Saxony because he normally can't do it alone.
The conspirators you send at enemy court size little over 30 can be court pruned. Don't worry about and keep sending them. It seems court pruning doesn't work well after a court has 50~60 courtiers.
I married or betrothed off my sons and grand sons to whenever I see a foreign duchy + female ruler or heir, independent or not. The title will pass to my dynast in next generation. If the duchess already had an heir, plot murders are easy with Cosmopolitan and Equality. Plot murder the duchess too once she produced an heir of your dynasty. Your son and his concubines will help you out. If the dukedom ever becomes independent, the new duke will readily accept your vassalization offer.
When you have plenty of gold, don't just bribe the yellow hand ones on your intrigue menu. Visit the target character's vassals and courtiers and bribe every single one if you can afford. Regardless of if they will join your plot for free or not join even after paid. Their position can change quickly, especially if you parked your chancellor and spymaster at the target court. In situations, the best use of your lv 5 artifact could be to bribe a Karling spymaster. Unlike Chinese emperor, you can eventually get the artifact back.
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I often do something similar, but without equality I can't land them to a court, so I just leave them breeding at my court, or marry them to whatever vassal needs a wife and give em 3 good consorts. I don't have The Reaper's Due (Only Holy Fury and the stuff in the $70 starter pack on Steam), so I don't think I have to worry about my courtiers getting culled.
Edit: That was a reply to jwalche. I'm still trying to figure out quotes here.
Edit: That was a reply to jwalche. I'm still trying to figure out quotes here.