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I was playing France when Spain invaded to take Toulouse, they completely annihilated me, crushed my armies. They then occupied near half of my holdings. I thin went to make peace but they wouldn't accept anything. I offered as much money as possible, all of the provinces they had cores and that they wanted and then i offered to release most of the vassals that i had just diplo annexed. they still refused. the war score i was offering was near 400. yet they still refuse!!!
 

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I was playing France when Spain invaded to take Toulouse, they completely annihilated me, crushed my armies. They then occupied near half of my holdings. I thin went to make peace but they wouldn't accept anything. I offered as much money as possible, all of the provinces they had cores and that they wanted and then i offered to release most of the vassals that i had just diplo annexed. they still refused. the war score i was offering was near 400. yet they still refuse!!!

Maybe they don't have enough diplomatic points to accept your peace?
 

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What does it say when you hover over the red cross on the refusal? Those modifiers should tell you why, there may be some -1000 thing in there or something.
They actually usually have the same reasoning as why they don't accept any DEMANDS. For example, one reason they would refuse your surrender is because they control their own capital, which doesn't exactly make sense.
 

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Good point. I'd like to see that change to go into the negatives if that's the case. They can go negative from event losses, so why not here? (replying to the dip points post, sorry)
 

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Be aware that they won't accept any deal where you added things with a red thumbs down. Remove any thumbs-down items from the peace deal.
 

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I was playing France when Spain invaded to take Toulouse, they completely annihilated me, crushed my armies. They then occupied near half of my holdings. I thin went to make peace but they wouldn't accept anything. I offered as much money as possible, all of the provinces they had cores and that they wanted and then i offered to release most of the vassals that i had just diplo annexed. they still refused. the war score i was offering was near 400. yet they still refuse!!!

I have the same problem. War with Poland never end. I am totaly defeated and peace from Poland is imposible. I have no army and no lands. Bug?
 

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In my Muscovy game I managed to pay-off Kazan despite them having around 21 war score. It took quite a while before they did accept this, but in the end their war exhaustion got so high that they did. Although I do agree that the "Still controls capital" is a bit silly when you are giving them stuff.

They do that because, just like the player, they want to keep going and take more of your stuff when they're winning or at least not losing.
 

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I was playing France when Spain invaded to take Toulouse, they completely annihilated me, crushed my armies. They then occupied near half of my holdings. I thin went to make peace but they wouldn't accept anything. I offered as much money as possible, all of the provinces they had cores and that they wanted and then i offered to release most of the vassals that i had just diplo annexed. they still refused. the war score i was offering was near 400. yet they still refuse!!!
The warscore doesnt matter. hover you mouse around the "X" of your offer.
If you got less then -1000 it says that there is something you give them that they dont want (like release of their enemy, or cancel of treatment that they want to keep).

if it so, clear your offer and let them only things with a green hand on them, try different stuff.

After this, when you got more resanable offer, they will luckly accept.
If they dont (if the offer is still in a minus, but not of -1000) you can try wait till their war exhstion will rise.

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I ware in much worst situation: War with England, Astria, Spain, Aragon, Portugal while my only ally is one province vassel.
... In "Ironman mode".

luckly only had to release only 2 nations.
 

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Just wait till they occupied all your land and eventually they will send you an offer.
 

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Just wait till they occupied all your land and they will send you an offer.

That'd be an offer you can't refuse in any case.
 

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After a while they get an event "The war is won. The people want peace." At that point they should start sending peace offers outlining what they want. I think its when they've had the wargoal for a certain time since I've got it at 60% warscore. It might be something like 2 years though.
 

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If you send a peace offer way above the warscore they have, if they refuse they loose stability I think, so have fun...

You might want to open a bug report about that. If I had a save with that I would be glad to push it in the beta bug report.
 

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If you send a peace offer way above the warscore they have, if they refuse they loose stability I think, so have fun...

You might want to open a bug report about that. If I had a save with that I would be glad to push it in the beta bug report.

That doesn't work anymore because the button is grayed out if they refuse.
 

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This is being improved on, among other things a "What do you want?" button will be added to offering peace.