Make the Reformation happen a bit later

[almoravid]

Currently, you get the protestant reformation somewhere between 1485 and 1505. It absolutely never happens as late as its historical date of 1517. This is bad for countries like Portugal and OE, whose special power is in the early period, as well as for all the early colonizers, who lose the +3dev bonus to colonies after colonizing ~3 provinces. It is also bad for catholicism, as centers of reformation go crazy for 100-115 years instead of 80-90, thus often converting the entire HRE and good chunks of France, Italy and Spain.

 

[Alyosha]

This is a consequence of adding more tags without thinking through unexpected effects. I am of the mind that Paradox should stop adding tags and focus content on tags that exist as opposed to adding minors in places like the HRE that don’t need them.

Hopefully this will be addressed with some tweaks to the reform rate but the lack of discussion from the devs point doesn’t give me optimism.

 

[Donlad]

it is not the fault of the tags but the systems around the tags, as you said with the reform rate. they can raise the MTTH of the reformation events a little bit, or lower the amount of reform desire the events add. that should solve the issue.

 

[TheDungen]

Currently, you get the protestant reformation somewhere between 1485 and 1505. It absolutely never happens as late as its historical date of 1517. This is bad for countries like Portugal and OE, whose special power is in the early period, as well as for all the early colonizers, who lose the +3dev bonus to colonies after colonizing ~3 provinces. It is also bad for catholicism, as centers of reformation go crazy for 100-115 years instead of 80-90, thus often converting the entire HRE and good chunks of France, Italy and Spain.

One option could be to make the event chain leading up the the reformation a bit longer. Starting it with Erasmus and his criticism of the catholic church, before moving on to the less compromising positions of of Luther and Calvin. Perhaps even have a rare chance for both Luther and the Pope turning to Erasmus for guidance and him sorting the entire mess out without the church splitting.

Also the reformation should be broken up into two parts first the centres of reformation and then in the second half big countries that weren't converted by the centres converting on their own. Sweden and Denmark for an example almost never convert because the centres rarely target them and if one does the other does not. In reality they both had top down conversions, kind of like what England does in game. Also the centres of reformation should be kept out of certain regions like Italy Spain The British isles and scandinavia. The strength of the reformation is so random depending on where they spawn.

 

[Tricubus]

The reformation should be kept out of the balkans and greece. That just gives god-awful religious borders and has absolutely zero historical basis

 

[TheDungen]

The reformation should be kept out of the balkans and greece. That just gives god-awful religious borders and has absolutely zero historical basis

Oh that's probably the funniest centre of reformation I've seen, Rhodes.

 

[reivaj89]

The reformation should be kept out of the balkans and greece. That just gives god-awful religious borders and has absolutely zero historical basis

Definitely, reformation centers should only convert Catholic provinces and ignore Orthodox and Coptic ones.

 

[magusdl]

Reformation is some crazy stuff, I remember this game when I killed one protestant center in the HRE, and the other two were in ireland/scotland, pretty much everyone in the HRE was reformed, the protestant won religious war and almost everyone left the HRE, it pretty much dismantled itself.

I agree it happens a bit too fast, when 1.30 was released you could actually stop it from happening as papal controller (stopping age progression), then Groogy made it harder to stop the reform desire, maybe it's overtuned now?