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TheDarkMaster

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Currently, once a native american tribe nation reforms their government, they lose their colonist and when AI controlled will never gain another one. On the other hand, CNs will always take expansion first now and can always colonize. Both almost always get bonuses to colonial growth with their NIs, but again, the native Americans will never use them when AI controlled since they are coded not to take expansion/exploration. I suggest giving them some way to get colonists after reforming the government that they'll always gain when AI controlled, it basically makes it so that an AI native can't ever compete with Western nations and their CNs. Even a player controlled Native will never have long term difficulties with their native neighbors once they reform, since they never colonize land, even if they've conquered a lot of land and have Westernized like you.

Possible solutions:
-Natives always take Expansion as their first, second, or third idea. Even if they don't have a port.
-Natives always gain a colonist in their NI set.
-Natives have a special decision or triggered modifier that gives them a colonist after they reform their government.

BTW, may I also suggest that Native Council nations gain a few modifiers while reformed but not Westernized to make up for some of the native ideas lost, when it doesn't make sense? 100% reduced technology costs to put them on par with the Mezos and Andes after they've fully settled, +3 to 5 forcelimits (since they lose ~15 forcelimits when reforming, which often puts some of the really small nations down to 4 or 5), and free earthworks in all provinces they already had Palisades in.

Finally, allow reformed natives to continue to use the tribal federation mechanics until they complete Westernization. Federations are never useful for protecting against Europeans, since the instant a European would be interested in attacking a federation member, that member will be able to reform their government. The AI will always reform their government instantly.
 
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The nativs wouldn't colonize anyway, cause they lack money for it. I have never seen a nativ tribe colonize even while still haveing nativ ideas.

I support the idea of keeping federations and tech reduction till westernization. Atm I have the feeling federations are simply there to annoy you with blocking of co-bi in wars.
 

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The nativs wouldn't colonize anyway, cause they lack money for it. I have never seen a nativ tribe colonize even while still haveing nativ ideas.

I support the idea of keeping federations and tech reduction till westernization. Atm I have the feeling federations are simply there to annoy you with blocking of co-bi in wars.

I've seen natives colonize, though it is rare. They need to grow large enough to have a sufficiently high income. I believe it is ~10 or ~20. This generally doesn't happen before they reform their government, unless something happens to the main colonizers in Europe. Also, don't forget that once a native does reform their government, they won't be able to colonize at all anymore.
 

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I've seen natives colonize, though it is rare. They need to grow large enough to have a sufficiently high income. I believe it is ~10 or ~20. This generally doesn't happen before they reform their government, unless something happens to the main colonizers in Europe. Also, don't forget that once a native does reform their government, they won't be able to colonize at all anymore.

The alternative is to make them *think* they have income:



Lots of things going on here and obviously I'm Cherokee, but I have...encouraged...my fellow natives to colonize a little, with temporary subsidies. Most of them didn't even bankrupt!
 

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The alternative is to make them *think* they have income:

Lots of things going on here and obviously I'm Cherokee, but I have...encouraged...my fellow natives to colonize a little, with temporary subsidies. Most of them didn't even bankrupt!
That's pretty cool. In my native game, Iroquois had 5 or 6 provinces and one of the others (Creek?) was bigger, and they still didn't colonize, so I thought their AI just said "never colonize". But you've shown it's income:).