make motorization of infantry possible

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I know I said it before, but you should make the motorization of infantry possible. Perhaps with brigade (I don´t like the idea myself, but it would be easy to implement).

 

[Provideniya]

Do you mean that you could "add" some truks (or lorrys) to your divisions?
I don't know what the others think, but I personally prefer more those "normal" motorised infantry divisions...

 

[hellfish6]

I'd like it if all divisions (except tanks) were standard infantry that could be converted to other types via brigades or something similar. Add a truck brigade to make it a motorized division, a tank or halftrack brigade to make it a mech division, etc.

 

[Acheron]

Personally, I would like to transform infantry division into other types of infantry divisions completely, not over brigades but directly. Maybe by producing a division of the desired type, and then they swap experience, as they swap perosnal?
Or simply mark a division as "upgrade to X" and it will be handeled when you assign enough IC to your mdoernizations thingy.

 

[Myth]

Maybe by producing a division of the desired type, and then they swap experience, as they swap perosnal?

there's hardly an point to that, not to mention only a fraction of the experience would transfer as they'd have to be retrained to be able to effectively use half-tracks in combat (for example). it isn't a simple "here's some half-tracks and trucks, you're mechanized now," that is represented by the requirement of the oil requirement of all infantry units '45 and later. the tactics of motorized and mechanized units were sufficiently different from those of plain foot infantry for the distinction between those unit types to have been made in the first place.

 

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I'd like it if all divisions (except tanks) were standard infantry that could be converted to other types via brigades or something similar. Add a truck brigade to make it a motorized division, a tank or halftrack brigade to make it a mech division, etc.

One way it would be more realistic yes, BUT, how do you handle the need for retraining with the new equipment?

I know I said it before, but you should make the motorization of infantry possible. Perhaps with brigade (I don´t like the idea myself, but it would be easy to implement).

Just make a few models for one type of brigade that you remove the original use of, then limit what divisions can get it so its impossible to attach it to motorised inf div for example, add "speed +4" or thereabouts, and additional oil and supply use...

 

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Do you mean that you could "add" some truks (or lorrys) to your divisions?
I don't know what the others think, but I personally prefer more those "normal" motorised infantry divisions...

Yes, but I usually play the 1936 campaign and you can´t build motorized units from the beginnig as germany.

 

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there's hardly an point to that, not to mention only a fraction of the experience would transfer as they'd have to be retrained to be able to effectively use half-tracks in combat (for example). it isn't a simple "here's some half-tracks and trucks, you're mechanized now," that is represented by the requirement of the oil requirement of all infantry units '45 and later. the tactics of motorized and mechanized units were sufficiently different from those of plain foot infantry for the distinction between those unit types to have been made in the first place.

Yes, the tacticts are different, but the trainig could be included in the price of the brigade and the price should not be high. The units are able to do that thinks that need a lot of training e.g. handling the weapon. They only need to train the tacticts.

 

[hellfish6]

One way it would be more realistic yes, BUT, how do you handle the need for retraining with the new equipment?

Reset the org to zero? That'd take the division out of action while they retrain.

 

[Myth]

but the trainig could be included in the price of the brigade and the price should not be high. The units are able to do that thinks that need a lot of training e.g. handling the weapon. They only need to train the tacticts.

oh, I'm sure there's some way to do it if the consumer interest is great enough, I was arguing against them retaining all of their experience

 

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Reset the org to zero? That'd take the division out of action while they retrain.

Oh, yes. That sounds good.

 

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Couple of points that haven't been mentioned in this thread;

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5505395#post5505395

 

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Couple of points that haven't been mentioned in this thread;

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5505395#post5505395

I also like the upgrade idea, but the brigade thing would be much easy to implement.

 

[hellfish6]

Couple of points that haven't been mentioned in this thread;

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5505395#post5505395

I'd much prefer that system, IMHO. Divisions that you could upgrade (or downgrade). It'd require a bit of an overhaul of the current system, though.

 

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With brigades there would be also the possibility of mot. marines etc.

 

[Myth]

seriously, why would you want motorized marines? if anything, such a brigade would decrease the division's usefulness at the task it was explicitly made for

 

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seriously, why would you want motorized marines? if anything, such a brigade would decrease the division's usefulness at the task it was explicitly made for

O.K. perhaps this would bring only a little bit freedom in gameplay and nothing else, but there are a lot of suggestions in this forum that are much worse.

 

[hellfish6]

seriously, why would you want motorized marines? if anything, such a brigade would decrease the division's usefulness at the task it was explicitly made for

Not necessarily. The Marines today are largely motorized and they're still useful. Hell, even in WWII the US Marines could probably be considered at least semi-motorized.

I think it adds flexibility. You could "motorize" anything in WWII (look at how the 101st got to Bastogne - they were "motorized"). Use your paratroops and Marines for their purpose, but once the follow on forces arrive, convert them to motorized troops for the rest of the campaign. Of course, you can't drop paratroopers with trucks and Marines should get a penalty for landing while motorized...

 

[Myth]

Marines should get a penalty for landing while motorized...

precisely what I was trying to imply

 

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precisely what I was trying to imply

If it is realistic, then it is OK.