Make Brazil coast non-tropical

[TheDarkMaster]

To help the AI and early colonizers actually take more of South America, make most of the Coastline of Brazil non-tropical. The AI simply ignores most of that land, or takes small areas without forming CNs with things as they are currently. Possibly extend this to Guyana as well.

 

[Sousuke123]

Don't think, more or less this simulate historic expansion of Portugal in Brazil

Every shade of grey is different century so even current set up is a little bit ahistorical since interior in game is temperate as well so giving at best two more coastal provinces and removing temperate inland provinces would be fine

Besides currently Portu doesn't care for Brazil and goes straight for provinces in Guyana, Caribbean then South Africa and so on. At least that's what i saw in my run as Tunis i colonize in 1546 and even temperate regions wasn't colonize by them

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Every shade of grey is different century so even current set up is a little bit ahistorical since interior in game is temperate as well so giving at best two more coastal provinces and removing temperate inland provinces would be fine

Besides currently Portu doesn't care for Brazil and goes straight for provinces in Guyana, Caribbean then South Africa and so on. At least that's what i saw in my run as Tunis i colonize in 1546 and even temperate regions wasn't colonize by them

Currently only the area around Rio de Janeiro and Recife are temperate. Salvador, Vitoria, and Sao Paulo are all tropical. It would be nice if those parts were temperate.

I'm always seeing Portugal take the three provinces at Rio de Janeiro, and then ignoring the rest of the Brazil region. It's really annoying, since they never set up a CN because of this.

 

[Sousuke123]

Currently only the area around Rio de Janeiro and Recife are temperate. Salvador, Vitoria, and Sao Paulo are all tropical. It would be nice if those parts were temperate.

I'm always seeing Portugal take the three provinces at Rio de Janeiro, and then ignoring the rest of the Brazil region. It's really annoying, since they never set up a CN because of this.

IIRC these three provinces Sao Paolo, Sao Tome(?) and Rio de Janerio are all temperate last time i checked in climate mapmode. Portugal ignoring rest of Brazil is rather issue of high base tax Caribbean provinces which tries to compete with Castille than many tropical provinces. I saw them colonizing 2BT tropical provinces in Guyana so they can reach Caribbean while leave it be low base >5BT temperate provinces of Brazil. Bahia i'd rather leave as tropical since it's important center of trade which is very handy take so making them hard to acquire is good thing. Vittoria and Porto Seguro could be temperate but nothing more i guess.

 

[net.split]

This one's so obvious it's kind of hard to imagine how these were ever set to tropical in the first place, even with the previous map.

Actual climate is less important than what the modifier is supposed to simulate. +1 to this suggestion.

 

[Sousuke123]

This one's so obvious it's kind of hard to imagine how these were ever set to tropical in the first place, even with the previous map.

Actual climate is less important than what the modifier is supposed to simulate. +1 to this suggestion.

Actually climate is always most important factor since sending people into malaric zone won't be good so even if it's bad design yet still kinda emulate history since first colonial nation in Brazil was establish after unifing Capitancies of Brazil in 1549 into Governorate General of Brazil so making them harder to create CN is good thing.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Here is the current Brazil climate:

I don't really think it lines up with that map very well.

 

[Sousuke123]

While it doesn't show exactly the same, bear in mind that darkest shade of grey is colonization between 1500-1600 so if all of it would be temperate Portugal would colonize this in less than 20 years and that wouldn't be in any way good.

Besides everything between Argentina, Urugway and Mason-Dixie Line should be tropical since this is best climate for plasmodium falciparum and p. vivax above and below it's too harsh climate to survive this parasite. So retain tropical climate or remove and give modifier with events erasing whole colonies thanks to yellow fever and malaria.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Thing is that because it is tropical, the AI tends to ignore it outright unless it has no other choice for colonizing. Often times they won't even get a CN up and running before going somewhere else. So I'd really like to see the temperate area expanded a bit so that those CNs at least show up. They will try to colonize tropical territory if it's adjacent to their homelands, at least.

 

[Sousuke123]

Thing is that because it is tropical, the AI tends to ignore it outright unless it has no other choice for colonizing. Often times they won't even get a CN up and running before going somewhere else. So I'd really like to see the temperate area expanded a bit so that those CNs at least show up. They will try to colonize tropical territory if it's adjacent to their homelands, at least.

Not quite, colonizers ignore South America because of high base tax provinces in Caribbean. In previous patch they colonized parts of Brazil and La Plata, now with BT severely reduced there, they completely ignore these areas till very late. In my run they colonize Caribbean, Rio de Janerio and then moved to South Africa and this is quite common pattern at least i see. So reducing BT in Caribbean would help immensely i guess since they don't mind colonize Guyana or Venezuela to get there

 

[Redwallzyl]

the AI is just generally bad at colonization. the whole system is terrible and vary unrealistic.

 

[olm]

It is extremely silly then AI prioritizes colonizing artic provinces in Hudson Bay over places like Cartagena or Bahia. Either there needs to be some kind of less harsh "coastal tropical" climate for those provinces (suggested that myself in other thread little time ago) or they should be made straight temperate.