major tributary problem

[The Guru]

Is it just me, or there is a serious inconsistency in the whole Tributary thing...


Here's the situation: I'm playing a little Icelandic lord and I attack the microscopic Faroe Islands ( a little independent domain) and make them tributary to me.


A bit later, the big player of the area, the Jarl of Viken, who owns two-thirds of Scandinavia, conquers the islands. For some reason, even though the Jarl is the new owner of the islands, the y are still tributary to me, as if the tributary status was inherent to the land;


The crazy thing is that now the jarl of Viken appears as a tributary to me in my list of allies ( because of that microscopic islands which must constitute about 2% of his domain) and I can call him to war whenever I want (that is, his several-thousand-strong armies...)


It's just plain silly. actually, it's a game stopper


The tributary status is a relation of subordination from one lord to the other. If that lord is replaced and his land conquered, why would the new owner end up with the tributary obligation???

 

[Robert II]

I doubt this is intentional. I'd bug report it.

 

[Zohtun]

Definitely.

 

[Groogy]

Yes please bug report it, definitely not WAD. If the previous ruler of the islands still owned the title and stayed as Tributary it would have been WAD however.

 

[Jorlem]

Yes please bug report it, definitely not WAD. If the previous ruler of the islands still owned the title and stayed as Tributary it would have been WAD however.

Wait, so it is possible to be the vassal of one lord, and the tributary of a different lord?

 

[Groogy]

Wait, so it is possible to be the vassal of one lord, and the tributary of a different lord?

Yes but your liege gets a CB to free you from your tributary status.

 

[Jorlem]

Yes but your liege gets a CB to free you from your tributary status.

Neat. I didn't know that was possible.

 

[Tom013]

Neat. I didn't know that was possible.

I believe I saw this case at start in Iberia in 1066. One of the Muslim Emirs is tribute to a third party while being sworn to the Sultan in north Africa.

 

[Rags17]

Yes but your liege gets a CB to free you from your tributary status.

In a recent game I had France as tributary to England, who in turn was tributary to the HRE. Pretty scary middle map right there !

 

[Keizer Harm]

In a recent game I had France as tributary to England, who in turn was tributary to the HRE. Pretty scary middle map right there !

Hehe, I wonder if France could then attack the HRE and make it their tributary 0.o I must try this!

 

[The Guru]

Well, this bug really needs to be fixed. It ruins the game.

 

[Robert II]

Well, this bug really needs to be fixed. It ruins the game.

I feel like that's a bit of an exaggerating, is it not?

 

[The Guru]

Not really. You play a smallish character and suddenly the neighbouring superpower becomes your tributary... because of some glitch....that is, not only does it no longer constitute the threat it should normally be, but it actually becomes a servile vassal that can be called to war at will, fielding armies five times the size of yours.

The whole dynamic is turned upside down.

 

[Robert II]

Not really. You play a smallish character and suddenly the neighbouring superpower becomes your tributary... that is, not only does it not constitute the threat it should be, but it actually becomes a servile vassal that can be called to war at will.

The whole dynamic is turned upside down.

So it doesn't ruin the game. It ruins 1 save you are playing until one of you die.

 

[Keizer Harm]

Hehe, I wonder if France could then attack the HRE and make it their tributary 0.o I must try this!

Nope, doesn't work. Apparently you can't make others your tributary if you are a tributary yourself. I guess that makes sense.

 

[Bernard95]

I believe I saw this case at start in Iberia in 1066. One of the Muslim Emirs is tribute to a third party while being sworn to the Sultan in north Africa.

I did nearly that myself. I recently tried an El Cid run where I decided it might be interesting to go Muslim for a change. During that mini campaign I made the Emir of Zaragoza my tributary but later swore fealty to the Umayyad Sultanate. Zaragoza was still my tributary afterwards.

 

[The Guru]

So it doesn't ruin the game. It ruins 1 save you are playing until one of you die.

I play Ironman

and "until one of us die" is enough to get the whole story off rail

 

[Zohtun]

I play Ironman

and "until one of us die" is enough to get the whole story off rail

Well don't abuse it...

 

[Zsrai]

I play Ironman

and "until one of us die" is enough to get the whole story off rail

Make it part of the story.

 

[Zohtun]

Make it part of the story.

"Till death do you part"

Bromance!