Major issue: artifacts spawn with random courtiers

[Phalanx_]

I'm posting this in a separate thread because it's a very important issue, at least in my view. Anyway, here it is: at game start, artifacts are randomly assigned to characters inside the court of the ruler which should have them. This leads to situation such as random Ethiopian women owning the Ark of the Covenant (I actually ended up owning the Iron Crown of Lombardy as the Paulician Patriarch in my last run). I have no idea as to what is causing it, but it's 100% an issue without any submods.

[HIP Release 2019-07-23 (Golden2)]
EMF: Extended Mechanics & Flavor (v10.1 - 2019-07-23)
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ARKO Interface (2019-06-05)
SWMH (v3.28 - 2019-07-12)
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LTM (C - 2019-05-17)
CPRplus (v3.0.7 - 2019-06-19)

 

[Lewa263]

This isn't an HIP problem. It's what happens in vanilla CK2. I don't know about your weird Paulician Iron Crown issue, but having courtiers get the artifacts is normal for at least the Ark of the Covenant. I've played the Solomonids several times in vanilla and HIP, and I always end up owning it within a few decades. When the random courtier dies, it goes to their liege.

 

[Ispil]

Indeed, that is vanilla. We did not touch artifacts beyond updating some triggers within them to account for EMF's differences, such as coronation.

 

[Choorus]

This isn't an HIP problem. It's what happens in vanilla CK2. I don't know about your weird Paulician Iron Crown issue, but having courtiers get the artifacts is normal for at least the Ark of the Covenant. I've played the Solomonids several times in vanilla and HIP, and I always end up owning it within a few decades. When the random courtier dies, it goes to their liege.

At least in the case of the Ark of Covenant isn't it supposed to be so? After Wiki "Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant, or Tabot, in Axum".

 

[Lewa263]

At least in the case of the Ark of Covenant isn't it supposed to be so? After Wiki "Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant, or Tabot, in Axum".

I think the complaint is that the ruler of Axum/Aksum should possess the Ark instead of a random person in their court. It is definitely intended that the Ark of the Covenant is owned by somebody there.

Also, I checked the 00_artifact_spawns file, and the Ark of the Covenant is the only artifact where the weighting for who gets it is any_demesne_title being a certain county. All the others that are intended to go to certain rulers (such as the Iron Crown) are weighted based on having the right kingdom or empire as primary title. Maybe the "problem" is that unlanded courtiers who are in court in Aksum are counted as having that county in their demesne simply because that's where they're located?

 

[Phalanx_]

Sorry for wasting your time guys, I should have tested if it was a vanilla bug.

This isn't an HIP problem. It's what happens in vanilla CK2. I don't know about your weird Paulician Iron Crown issue, but having courtiers get the artifacts is normal for at least the Ark of the Covenant. I've played the Solomonids several times in vanilla and HIP, and I always end up owning it within a few decades. When the random courtier dies, it goes to their liege.

In this particular game the Iron Crown spawned with the king's daughter, who I married. When she died, I inherited the crown.
One last question, does anyone know if this is an issue already known by the base game devs? If not, I'll make a bug report.

 

[Ispil]

The only change that's made to the spawns is that primary_title was replaced with any_demesne_title. This change, at a fundamental level, would not make the difference between courtiers spawning with artifacts and not.

 

[Lewa263]

The only change that's made to the spawns is that primary_title was replaced with any_demesne_title. This change, at a fundamental level, would not make the difference between courtiers spawning with artifacts and not.

I'm not sure if you mean that is a change HIP makes, or if you are just debunking my theory on why the Ark of the Covenant goes to a courtier. If you mean the former, then my theory would actually explain how a courtier ended up with the Iron Crown of Lombardy. You've taken a weird vanilla bug and made it occur in more cases. But hopefully, you meant the latter, that my guess about any_demesne_title instead of primary_title in specifically the Ark of the Covenant case would not cause a courtier to possess that artifact.