Major IA hit for Emperor DoWs

[Hipster_on_Ice]

The Holy Roman Emperor should get a major (10+) IA hit if they declare on a member state with the conquest CB. Imperial liberation and cleansing of heresy should probably be exempt from that penalty.

I hate seeing Austria annex their way through Switzerland out to Sundgau, annex Bavaria in 1 war, and annex numerous other minors (even free cities) for no apparent reason. Seeing Bohemia relive its EU3 Blobhemia glory days after they become emperor isn't much better. It just makes sense to me to make wars of conquest within the empire bad for the emperor to start. The AI shouldn't be so quick to annex countries that are under their nominal protection. The IA penalty would make that more of a disincentive. It's almost worse than battlepope at this point.

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

I havent seen it behave like this, if anything Austria looks a bit more passive to me in the latest patch.

 

[Hipster_on_Ice]

Bohemia seems to be worse about it, but I think it largely depends on ruler personality. In playing yesterday I saw Switzerland disappear before 1500, as well as Baden, Augsburg, Salzburg, and Ravensburg get annexed by Austria while they were emperor. Conquest in-empire shouldn't be an appealing option for the Emperor.

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Bohemia seems to be worse about it, but I think it largely depends on ruler personality. In playing yesterday I saw Switzerland disappear before 1500, as well as Baden, Augsburg, Salzburg, and Ravensburg get annexed by Austria while they were emperor. Conquest in-empire shouldn't be an appealing option for the Emperor.

Its not meant to be, the new HRE mechanics are meant to encourage the survival of more nations, shame the AI dont seem to realise that.

 

[Hipster_on_Ice]

There should be a limiter to avoid that sort of thing. At the very least there should be a penalty on actions beyond the IA loss over time from fewer states in the empire. I think that it's especially bad if the Emperor takes a free city, that should lower relations with all members or give a significant elector penalty. Militaristic AI seems to view free cities as just another OPM to fabricate on and annex. If the AI is given a similar lack of probability to go to war inside the Empire as they do joining in-Empire wars of conquest as allies (-1000) then that could solve some things.

Battlepope is similar in nature, but mechanically that is a mystery.

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

His piety is unquestioned, his resolve untested, savior of all catholics, Battlepope, coming to a cinema near you. (bold because imagine it being said in that loud american film trailer voice)

The pope was quite aggressive throughout various parts of history, you have events like the league of cambrai and the role of the borgias in attempting to annex more land to the papal states. to be honest I would quite like to see more oddities come from various rulers but I guess its a bit too CK2, like the pope who almost bankrupted the vatican by overspending on prostitutes, shame its so hard to get information on it because the records have been almost entirely destroyed by the church.