Major Bug in RNW Trade nodes

[Nanderson423]

After going for the Ideas guy achievement, I found that odd things were happening with my trade. Here is what I discovered...

RNW trade nodes do not pass along ducats sent to them from upstream nodes. They ONLY pass ducats created locally. This means that if you have a merchant 1 -> merchant 2 -> home node. Your home node gets nothing from merchant 1. It all says in the middle node even if you have 100% of the trade node. The only ducats that get passed along are those created locally in merchant 2's trade node. This means that any European country can only get ducats from the first node in the new world, unless they start dedicating merchants to collect in the new world.

Here is an imgur album showing exactly what is going on.

This is pretty massive and hurts all the trade empire very significantly as the game goes late. Hopefully it shouldnt be too hard to fix, unless it is a new "feature".

 

[Tiax]

This is quality detective work.

 

[Rider_of_Doom]

And I wondered, why I got only these few ducats from trade... and trading ships displayed XX.XX, but the number was still X.XX...

 

[Korashy]

After going for the Ideas guy achievement, I found that odd things were happening with my trade. Here is what I discovered...

RNW trade nodes do not pass along ducats sent to them from upstream nodes. They ONLY pass ducats created locally. This means that if you have a merchant 1 -> merchant 2 -> home node. Your home node gets nothing from merchant 1. It all says in the middle node even if you have 100% of the trade node. The only ducats that get passed along are those created locally in merchant 2's trade node. This means that any European country can only get ducats from the first node in the new world, unless they start dedicating merchants to collect in the new world.

Here is an imgur album showing exactly what is going on.

This is pretty massive and hurts all the trade empire very significantly as the game goes late. Hopefully it shouldnt be too hard to fix, unless it is a new "feature".

Doing this achievement myself right now and thought some of the figures in my trade network looked weird.

 

[DDRJake]

Hi there, and thanks for your report.

When trying this out myself, I am finding that all trade is being forwarded as expected in the Random New World. If you have a save file with the situation as outlined in your imgur album, I would appreciate you sharing it for debugging.

 

[Chief of Staff]

After going for the Ideas guy achievement, I found that odd things were happening with my trade. Here is what I discovered...

RNW trade nodes do not pass along ducats sent to them from upstream nodes. They ONLY pass ducats created locally. This means that if you have a merchant 1 -> merchant 2 -> home node. Your home node gets nothing from merchant 1. It all says in the middle node even if you have 100% of the trade node. The only ducats that get passed along are those created locally in merchant 2's trade node. This means that any European country can only get ducats from the first node in the new world, unless they start dedicating merchants to collect in the new world.

Here is an imgur album showing exactly what is going on.

This is pretty massive and hurts all the trade empire very significantly as the game goes late. Hopefully it shouldnt be too hard to fix, unless it is a new "feature".

You didn't specified what version this is on. Is this on latest version or earlier hotfixes or 1.14?

 

[Korashy]

@DDRJake
This is definitely still an issue. This match was started in 1.14.3

In my RNW no trade actually flows from New world to Europe, Africa or Asia and the no trade from there to RNW. It's basically an enclosed system. This node gets 4 ducats from another node, and produces around 4.5 locally. I have 92% tradepower, yet the local production isn't being forwarded to my homenode (which is an end node). OP is your home node also an end node?

 

[Jorlem]

Maybe the issue is only with certain RNW tiles?

 

[brifbates]

Maybe the issue is only with certain RNW tiles?

It could be this, it may also have something to do with triangular node paths in the new world being messed up. In my ideas game with RNW most nodes look correct but there are a couple that aren't adding up properly.

 

[Winston_Churchill]

Can confirm this, trade flows between nodes in RNW fine but will not go into back to the Old World

 

[Nanderson423]

Here is a link to two games I have been playing. One is singleplayer and is very easy to see, the other is a multiplayer game where my friend was having the exact same problem (before I knew what was going on).
Since it was asked, my version is up to date on 1.14.3. Some people are saying that it is only a problem with going out of the new world, but my game has RNW trade nodes -> RNW trade nodes with the problem AND Old world trade nodes -> RNW trade nodes with the problem. Since both save have my country in the new world, I have not tried RNW -> Old World trade nodes, and dont know if it does it then. I should also point out that all Old world -> Old world nodes still do seem to work fine.

 

[Nanderson423]

@DDRJake
This is definitely still an issue. This match was started in 1.14.3

In my RNW no trade actually flows from New world to Europe, Africa or Asia and the no trade from there to RNW. It's basically an enclosed system. This node gets 4 ducats from another node, and produces around 4.5 locally. I have 92% tradepower, yet the local production isn't being forwarded to my homenode (which is an end node). OP is your home node also an end node?

No, my home node goes into Austrialia. The nodes before it that arent forwarding are RNW -> RNW -> RNW home node and Old World -> RNW -> RNW home node.

 

[Korashy]

No, my home node goes into Austrialia. The nodes before it that arent forwarding are RNW -> RNW -> RNW home node and Old World -> RNW -> RNW home node.

Actually just discovered my home node goes to austria as well. It didn't show the trade arrows before and I wasn't really exploring asia since i didn' t think there was a point (first time playing RNW)

 

[DDRJake]

Here is a link to two games I have been playing. One is singleplayer and is very easy to see, the other is a multiplayer game where my friend was having the exact same problem (before I knew what was going on).

Thanks for the save games, these are most important for investigating these issues. I'll check them out when I'm back in the office but can you tell me which are the problematic nodes in your save files?

 

[Nanderson423]

Thanks for the save games, these are most important for investigating these issues. I'll check them out when I'm back in the office but can you tell me which are the problematic nodes in your save files?

In the MoabHighAmerican game (multiplayer), my friend is playing as Shoshone and has the exact same problem in the Pimaqin node (going to Vapptill). I dont know whether any other nodes in the game have the problem as no one else has enough trade power or chain of merchants to notice.

In the other game, its the same from the album. Smysik and Tleraslis are the ones directly before my home node that are noticeable. But I think the rest of the nodes in the RNW are doing it too.

 

[QDI]

Thanks for the save games, these are most important for investigating these issues. I'll check them out when I'm back in the office but can you tell me which are the problematic nodes in your save files?

Hi!

I also have that bug: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-gR4qyAmmRqbUI3MlNucEhPNms/view?usp=sharing

Look at Rorora trade node (extreme south west of RNW) and the trade node just above where I transfer trade.

Thanks for your help

 

[Rendiggy]

Jake, a few of us bug reported this last week as well. See https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ode-incoming-trade-value-not-utilized.895741/ in the bug reports sub section.

I'll add my save game to the bug thread on Monday night when I'm back at that computer.