Major Bug in AoD - "the SU is gearing up for war" Events?

[Agin]

Hi Guys, I need your competent help again. I play a Single player campaign (1936) as Sowjet Union. Somehow during the game, my over all Organization dropped to 33 in spite of all the Human Wave ground doctrines I researched. I didn't think that strange since I knew about the "the SU is gearing up for war"-events. But now that they started, I noticed that it actually took another 5 points off my org! Now I have 190 divisions with a measly org of 28 in 1940 and only 8 more months until the Germans are supposed to come! What should I do now? Is this intention or a bug?
And if it is a bug, is there a way to save my campaign? Please help me, I am a little desperate here ...
I thank you in advance,

Agin

 

[Kirkegaard]

What version are you playing? 1.7?

 

[Agin]

Yes, 1.07

 

[Dichromate]

oh bloody hell I hope not...

 

[Denniss]

The soviet events 2651 to 2656 should be reviewed, I don't know why one gives +5 morale but -5 org, others only org or morale; some sleep each other, some not, etc, etc.

 

[Agin]

Oh bloody hell, I fear yes ...
Pity. I really looked forward to play SU for a change.

 

[Julle64]

I also checked those events in "db\events\USSR.txt". The sleep events look quite logical, but that one -5 for organization in event 2652 is not. Maybe comment that line out or remove the minus-sign?

EDIT: I have an USA game going on and I decided to remove the minus-sign. We'll see what happens.

 

[Julle64]

BTW this should probably also be in the bug thread.

 

[alufdufe]

I'm not sure these events are broken. You still have the +15% in event 2656. It looks to me like the intent was to make it easier for the germans early by reducing SU org by 5%, and then harder by increasing it 15%, when they get 2/3 of the way to the Dnepr river line. What you end up with is a net increase of 10% after 2656 hits. Changing the -5 to a +5% in 2652, changes the net increase to +20%. Seems like a lot to me.

 

[Julle64]

Could be. But if the organization in 1940 is 28, and the USSR event 2652 drops it by 5 in 1941, it will be only 23. If instead this 5 is added in 1941 the organization will be 33, which isn't really that high. Add that final 15 to that and it is only 48.

 

[Julle64]

I just checked the situation in my USA game by loading the game as USSR. It's July 1940 and the organization of Soviet infantry is 41. So there might be another reason, why the organization in Agin's game is only 28. This might be caused by some other events.

 

[alufdufe]

Could be. But if the organization in 1940 is 28, and the USSR event 2652 drops it by 5 in 1941, it will be only 23. If instead this 5 is added in 1941 the organization will be 33, which isn't really that high. Add that final 15 to that and it is only 48.

I would think that 2652 would have already fired with the fall of Poland, so the SU shouldn't be getting another hit in 1941. There's only one -5% ORG in the gearing events, so if the Soviets are getting multiple hits, they are coming from somewhere else. Any ideas on where?

I would add this is all new to 1.07. Prior to this these events only affected the defense effectiveness. Both the effects and the triggers were changed.

EDIT: Agin, you should be be able to create a manually fired event that would raise the ORG of your land units without losing your campaign. Or you could just manually trigger event 2656 early, that would give you +15% ORG.

 

[bestmajor]

i think somebody traded a decreased ground deff eff (in the SOV scanario inc) vs ORG.

iirc this was on 0.2 and is now disabled (on 1). therefore you get the org malus?

 

[alufdufe]

In the 36GC they changed the SU starting GDE from .2 to .8(the max is .8). So you don't need the increases in the gear events. But they didn't change it in any of the other scenarios. In the 38GC it's .2 and 39GC it's .4. In the 41 & 44GC's it's .7. Without the increases from the gear events it will never go up. I think this is an error.

 

[Denniss]

In the 36GC they changed the SU starting GDE from .2 to .8(the max is .8). So you don't need the increases in the gear events. But they didn't change it in any of the other scenarios. In the 38GC it's .2 and 39GC it's .4. In the 41 & 44GC's it's .7. Without the increases from the gear events it will never go up. I think this is an error.

This is a BUG for sure. Should be easy to fix for the next version.

 

[mcganyol]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?530133-su-event-bug

 

[alufdufe]

I've seen this thread and as I said before, I'm not convinced the -5% ORG is a bug. Event 2655 looks to me to be a bonus given to the SU if Germany attacks early.

 

[Commander666]

I love reading all these desperate communicaes from the battlefield to save Russia. Could be that the AI in 1.07 decided Agin's strategies using various countries (as he has elsewhere posted) is just too good to tolerate, and decreasing his org across the board - and doing so repeatedly - is the only way it can beat him.