Echoing the comments of others: I am sticking with you on this AAR. Keep it up!
I just want to know, when are you going to kick some Ottoman beeaaatchh ass!
I just want to know, when are you going to kick some Ottoman beeaaatchh ass!
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Originally posted by Lt. Tyler
Echoing the comments of others: I am sticking with you on this AAR. Keep it up!
I just want to know, when are you going to kick some Ottoman beeaaatchh ass!
i'm building for a big push at the end. i've got higher land tech than they do now, but my dp settings still are not what they should be (more towards quantity and serfdom, so i need to go more quality and free subjects to get army morale up). i'm also building some level 3 forts so the turks will waste their time in long sieges while i rampage through their backyard.
and then, it will be time to wail on the heathens....
IIIRC the ottmans have to change to lower techgroup later in game so you should be able to get technologically far in front of them... I`m sure I will follow this one further
That's the spirit
Good to see the run away and reseige strategy in use. I used this right up to 1819 in my game for Hungary. Austria eventually gave up and sued for peace for 50 ducats after a prolonged war that never netted him more than one city at a time. His resource commitment must have been 10 times mine. I did lose my Fine arts center in Magyar this way. I think there is a random chance of the manufactury being lost in a seige.
Hang in there and rack up the points on diplomacy.
Good to see the run away and reseige strategy in use. I used this right up to 1819 in my game for Hungary. Austria eventually gave up and sued for peace for 50 ducats after a prolonged war that never netted him more than one city at a time. His resource commitment must have been 10 times mine. I did lose my Fine arts center in Magyar this way. I think there is a random chance of the manufactury being lost in a seige.
Hang in there and rack up the points on diplomacy.
at the risk of getting ahead of myself, i'll say that the strategy has worked well for the past 100 years or so. i'm up to 1686 now in the game and have taken back both provinces that poland took and have started nibbling away at the turks.
i've actually pulled ahead of the turks now. i'm land level 21 and they're level 17 i think. i'm doing some DP slider adjustments to quality and free subjects to get my army morale up so i can hold my own in the field as well.
thanks for the comments. next update coming up in a few.
peace and war: 1540-1556
To quickly raise another army in case of attack, the king and nobles reluctantly agreed to take out a loan from the national bank. This would increase inflation, but it felt a necessary risk in order to protect the nation from another attack. It would be repaid in five years in 1545) The new army would not have long to wait for action, as revolts broke out in Pest, Odenburg, and Maros in 1540. The rebel armies were defeated in 1541, but Odenburg fell to the rebels. It would be recaptured after a siege, but the fort was damaged and would have to be rebuilt (was level 2 before rebels, level 1 after).
In 1542, war broke out again. First, the German state of Cologne declared war on Hungary’s ally Austria. Though her army was still not ready for a full-scale conflict, Hungary honored the alliance and declared war on Cologne. The army would remain in home territory to defend against an invasion. Poland dishonored the alliance, an action Hungary and Austria would not soon forget. One month after the war with Cologne started, Bohemia declared war on Austria. Hungary, seeing an opportunity, sent a small army to quickly lay siege to Bohemia and hopefully annex the now one-province nation. But it was not to be. Hungary’s ally Hessen sent their main army under command of their king and stole the siege from Hungary. Disappointed, the Hungarians returned home to another declaration of war. Their ancient enemies the Ottoman Empire had seen their opportunity and were on the move again, moving an army into Croatia and laying siege to Zagreb in October of 1544. Fortunately for Hungary, her allies honored the alliance.
To help with the war effort, the government authorized a fortification effort (random event) in Odenburg, repairing the damage done by the rebels three years earlier. In February 1545, the Hungarians scored a victory over the Turks, and laid siege to Banat. Though they would secure the province in December, the Turks would take Croatia and Banat, and with them advancing on the capital, Hungary agreed to cede the province of Croatia to the Ottoman Empire on April 9, 1546. Just a month later, Hungarian engineers made a breakthrough in naval technology (level 3), though without a port city, it was meaningless.
January 1547 saw another religious upheaval in Europe. A man named Jean Calvin broke off from the still-new Protestant church and formed his own branch known as the Reformed faith. Though nominally Protestant, followers of this new faith would more radical in their approach. They wished to totally reform the church altogether, making it far different from the Catholic faith or even the Protestants. Two of Hungary’s provinces embraced this new faith, bringing the total number of religions in Hungary back to two. February 1547 saw another breakthrough in military technology (land tech 7). Hungary could now build artillery, and could now face her enemies on more or less even terms. This new weapon would immediately be tested in battle when Austria declared war on the German state of Friesland and her allies. Immediately, cannons were cast and added to the Hungarian army, and a small siege army was sent to take the city of Erz from Brandenburg and perhaps force a favorable peace to Hungary. The siege was barely one month old when Friesland sent an offer of a white peace, which was accepted, taking Hungary out of the war.
1549 was a quiet year, save for a few rebellions in Odenburg and Pest, which were crushed. Another military breakthrough was achieved (land tech 8), making the armies of Hungary a little stronger in battle. 1550 saw the Turks score a major victory over Venice, taking Corfu, Istria, Ionia, and Adana in a peace deal. The Ottomans had asked for and received a treaty of access from Hungary to fight against Venice, and the cancellation of this treaty September of 1551 meant that Hungary was at risk for another attack. Fortunately, her engineers had made another breakthrough (land tech 9) earlier in the year, so it was felt that her armies would be much more prepared for the next attack.
The next few years (1551-1556) were quiet ones as Hungary built her armies and sent merchants to improve her economy. Some minor unrest occurred when the clergy vocally expressed their displeasure with the massive buildup of troops (random event: unhappiness among clergy), but the king and nobles ignored their complaints (stability -2). Fortunately, no revolts occurred, and order was gradually re-established. Poland joined the alliance with Hungary and Austria in May 1556 after the had dishonored Lithuania, who had gone to war with the Golden Horde the previous year. For now, Hungary’s northern border was secure, so her armies were moved to her southern border to await an attack from the Ottoman Turks.
after the turkish war in 1546
To quickly raise another army in case of attack, the king and nobles reluctantly agreed to take out a loan from the national bank. This would increase inflation, but it felt a necessary risk in order to protect the nation from another attack. It would be repaid in five years in 1545) The new army would not have long to wait for action, as revolts broke out in Pest, Odenburg, and Maros in 1540. The rebel armies were defeated in 1541, but Odenburg fell to the rebels. It would be recaptured after a siege, but the fort was damaged and would have to be rebuilt (was level 2 before rebels, level 1 after).
In 1542, war broke out again. First, the German state of Cologne declared war on Hungary’s ally Austria. Though her army was still not ready for a full-scale conflict, Hungary honored the alliance and declared war on Cologne. The army would remain in home territory to defend against an invasion. Poland dishonored the alliance, an action Hungary and Austria would not soon forget. One month after the war with Cologne started, Bohemia declared war on Austria. Hungary, seeing an opportunity, sent a small army to quickly lay siege to Bohemia and hopefully annex the now one-province nation. But it was not to be. Hungary’s ally Hessen sent their main army under command of their king and stole the siege from Hungary. Disappointed, the Hungarians returned home to another declaration of war. Their ancient enemies the Ottoman Empire had seen their opportunity and were on the move again, moving an army into Croatia and laying siege to Zagreb in October of 1544. Fortunately for Hungary, her allies honored the alliance.
To help with the war effort, the government authorized a fortification effort (random event) in Odenburg, repairing the damage done by the rebels three years earlier. In February 1545, the Hungarians scored a victory over the Turks, and laid siege to Banat. Though they would secure the province in December, the Turks would take Croatia and Banat, and with them advancing on the capital, Hungary agreed to cede the province of Croatia to the Ottoman Empire on April 9, 1546. Just a month later, Hungarian engineers made a breakthrough in naval technology (level 3), though without a port city, it was meaningless.
January 1547 saw another religious upheaval in Europe. A man named Jean Calvin broke off from the still-new Protestant church and formed his own branch known as the Reformed faith. Though nominally Protestant, followers of this new faith would more radical in their approach. They wished to totally reform the church altogether, making it far different from the Catholic faith or even the Protestants. Two of Hungary’s provinces embraced this new faith, bringing the total number of religions in Hungary back to two. February 1547 saw another breakthrough in military technology (land tech 7). Hungary could now build artillery, and could now face her enemies on more or less even terms. This new weapon would immediately be tested in battle when Austria declared war on the German state of Friesland and her allies. Immediately, cannons were cast and added to the Hungarian army, and a small siege army was sent to take the city of Erz from Brandenburg and perhaps force a favorable peace to Hungary. The siege was barely one month old when Friesland sent an offer of a white peace, which was accepted, taking Hungary out of the war.
1549 was a quiet year, save for a few rebellions in Odenburg and Pest, which were crushed. Another military breakthrough was achieved (land tech 8), making the armies of Hungary a little stronger in battle. 1550 saw the Turks score a major victory over Venice, taking Corfu, Istria, Ionia, and Adana in a peace deal. The Ottomans had asked for and received a treaty of access from Hungary to fight against Venice, and the cancellation of this treaty September of 1551 meant that Hungary was at risk for another attack. Fortunately, her engineers had made another breakthrough (land tech 9) earlier in the year, so it was felt that her armies would be much more prepared for the next attack.
The next few years (1551-1556) were quiet ones as Hungary built her armies and sent merchants to improve her economy. Some minor unrest occurred when the clergy vocally expressed their displeasure with the massive buildup of troops (random event: unhappiness among clergy), but the king and nobles ignored their complaints (stability -2). Fortunately, no revolts occurred, and order was gradually re-established. Poland joined the alliance with Hungary and Austria in May 1556 after the had dishonored Lithuania, who had gone to war with the Golden Horde the previous year. For now, Hungary’s northern border was secure, so her armies were moved to her southern border to await an attack from the Ottoman Turks.
after the turkish war in 1546
Do the Ottomans out-tech you by a lot at this point? I would have thought that you might be able to out-manoeuvre them and avoid having to lose your province...just thinking that making a B-line for their capital and laying siege might have taken the wind out of their sails.
The story itself continues to be an enjoyable read. Keep up the good work, and use those new arqebuses to good effect against those pesky Turks when they come.
The story itself continues to be an enjoyable read. Keep up the good work, and use those new arqebuses to good effect against those pesky Turks when they come.
Originally posted by MrT
Do the Ottomans out-tech you by a lot at this point? I would have thought that you might be able to out-manoeuvre them and avoid having to lose your province...just thinking that making a B-line for their capital and laying siege might have taken the wind out of their sails.
The story itself continues to be an enjoyable read. Keep up the good work, and use those new arqebuses to good effect against those pesky Turks when they come.
at that point in the game i was land tech 9 and i think they were 11 or 12. but where i am in the game now, my latin tech has caught up with the turks, so now i out-tech them, and have begun a slow but sure reconquista of my lands.
You are doing well with your land tech. I did not invest in it at all for about 200 years. I think I was at 7 while others were in the high teens and low 20's. I will look in other forums for the impact of "Latin Tech" and others.
I wouldn't mind seeing the default "strive for" numbers for gaining the next level of each area. I am also unsure of the the impact of inflation and adjustment made while striving for the level, does it dynamically change the value stived for when sliders move or inflation changes?
It seems you have pulled through your dark ages and are starting to reclaim your homelands. You must survive now, the question is, how high you can raise the bar?
I wouldn't mind seeing the default "strive for" numbers for gaining the next level of each area. I am also unsure of the the impact of inflation and adjustment made while striving for the level, does it dynamically change the value stived for when sliders move or inflation changes?
It seems you have pulled through your dark ages and are starting to reclaim your homelands. You must survive now, the question is, how high you can raise the bar?
i think someone posted a thread about tech levels in the general forum. one thing that has helped me in my land tech levels is i got a few random events weapons manufactories, so i get a tech bonus from them without researching land tech. as for inflation, it was pretty high, since i had to take a few loans, but i got some "deflation" and "exceptional year" events that brought it back down.
as for my goals, i want to at least get back all my shield provinces that i lost to the turks. i'm trying to do it slowly, taking one province at a time, so my BB doesn't get too high and also so i can rebuild and reconsolidate after each war.
as for my goals, i want to at least get back all my shield provinces that i lost to the turks. i'm trying to do it slowly, taking one province at a time, so my BB doesn't get too high and also so i can rebuild and reconsolidate after each war.
If they hold your shield provinces then you get to DOW them for 1 BB (you've got casus belli), and you can take your shield province for 0 BB pts.
But you did do some rampaging in the early game
so maybe you're still up there. And consolidating after each war is of course, as that style maven and insider trader Martha Stewart says: a good thing.
Originally posted by Lt. Tyler
If they hold your shield provinces then you get to DOW them for 1 BB (you've got casus belli), and you can take your shield province for 0 BB pts.
But you did do some rampaging in the early game
my reputation at this point is "slightly tarnished", so i want to let it get back to at least "respectable" before i declare war again. plus, i'm building level 3 fortresses in my provinces so the turks will take longer to siege, and with my full defensive siege army taking his cities, hopefully my cities can hold out long enough. then too, i still need to adjust some settings toward "quality" and "free subjects" so my army morale improves.
next update will be sometime tonight.
Wow!
Getting a beating, are we?
I sympathise with you. I've had Hungarians and Ottomans running rampant in Serbia at some point. It's... oddly satisfying seeing the AI really intent on grabbing you by the nuts, cracking them and the come back for more.
Getting a beating, are we?
I sympathise with you. I've had Hungarians and Ottomans running rampant in Serbia at some point. It's... oddly satisfying seeing the AI really intent on grabbing you by the nuts, cracking them and the come back for more.
Ah. Now I understand a little better. I usually go to high quality before reducing my offensive...particularly becasue it takes a number of steps to get down to the defensive 0 level and get the siege bonus.
The L3 fortresses are very handy indeed, particularly in those crappy forage areas in the mountains. I've seen tens of thousands of Ottomans attrition to death without making a dent in the walls.
i really took a beating in the middle game. but you'll both be happy to know that i made some major gains against the turks tonight.
you'll read about those in due time.keep the comments coming. next update in a few.
closing ranks: 1556-1567
Hungary would not have long to wait, as the Ottoman Empire declared war on July 15, 1556. Poland and Lithuania showed their true form when they dishonored the alliance, leaving Austria to fight alongside her vassal against the Turks. The Hungarians, deciding not to wait on the Turks, moved their army into Banat and laid siege to Temeschburg in December 1556. The Turks moved an army into Krain, laying siege to the province in April 1557. The war was just under a year along when a political crisis struck Hungary (random event). One of the leading nobles was discovered to have been in contact with some Turkish janissaries, and had been filtering information about the state of the Hungarian military and troop movements to the Ottomans. The traitor was immediately executed, but a state of unrest pervaded the empire (stability -3), and Hungary’s foreign relations suffered for a while afterward (monarch administrative skill -3 for 12 months). In August, the Ottoman Empire signed a peace treaty with Austria for 75,000 ducats, leaving Hungary to face the Turks alone.
1558 and 1559 saw some back and forth battles between the Ottomans, their ally the Mamelukes, and the Hungarians. After a few defeats of the Mamelukes, they bowed out of the war for a payment of 25,000 ducats in September 1559. Two months later, the Turks signed a peace treaty as well, gaining the province of Krain from Hungary on November 11, 1559. The following month, Hungarian engineers made a breakthrough in land tech (level 10). The king and nobles silently cursed their misfortune at the timing of this research. It truly seemed as if God had abandoned his own and sided with the heathens.
In January 1560, the policy of innovation continued, much to the discomfort of the clergy, who wished to adopt a policy of force-conversion of their remaining non-Catholic provinces, and also to appeal to their fellow Catholics in a crusade to drive the heathen Turks back from rightfully Catholic lands (stability -1). However, it did not take them long to realize the gravity of the situation, and they begrudingly agreed to adopt the king’s policy of innovation (regained lost stability in March). In June, two powerful noble families brought their decades-long feud before the king (random event: noble families feud). The king, not wishing to cause any more unnecessary unrest, sided with the more powerful family. Naturally, the other family protested, and a revolt broke out in their home province in Pest. The revolt was quickly crushed and order was restored in December.
The next few years (1561-1566) were more or less quiet ones, with only the occassional revolt to break the peace. These were of course quickly put down, and general order ruled. Merchants were sent abroad and diplomatic channels were reopened. Royal marriages were arranged with Spain, Portugal, Savoy, and even faraway Eire. Hungary also watched with interest her neighbor Siebenbergen, which was locked into a pair of wars with the Ottoman Empire and Lithuania. She came off badly in both, losing the province of Ruthenia to the Turks and Moldava to Lithuania. This left them with just their home province of Transylvania, making them ripe for a later annexation.
A new Habsburg ruler took the throne in July 1564. Maximillian II, known as Maksimillian I to the Hungarians, was a capable diplomat, but only an average administrator and warrior (D:4, A:3, M:3). However, he was responsible for a reformation of the army (random event), resulting in an increase in military technology research (+250 ducats). He also arranged a royal marriage with Luxembourg on January of 1566. Being a Habsburg, and therefore a foreigner, his rule was resented by some of the populace, and a revolt broke out in Odenburg in June 1566. The revolt was quickly crushed and order restored, but it brought to light once again Hungary’s status now as a second-rate European power.
1567 opened quietly, with merchants being sent Andalusia, Venice, and Novgorod. On January 19, Poland formally annexed Lithuania, and Hungary saw that the time was ripe for testing her new military reforms. War was declared on February 1, 1567. Savoy and Austria honored the alliance with Hungary, and Poland’s allies too honored their part of the agreement. The stage was set for yet another conflict in Hungary’s long history of such wars.
Hungary would not have long to wait, as the Ottoman Empire declared war on July 15, 1556. Poland and Lithuania showed their true form when they dishonored the alliance, leaving Austria to fight alongside her vassal against the Turks. The Hungarians, deciding not to wait on the Turks, moved their army into Banat and laid siege to Temeschburg in December 1556. The Turks moved an army into Krain, laying siege to the province in April 1557. The war was just under a year along when a political crisis struck Hungary (random event). One of the leading nobles was discovered to have been in contact with some Turkish janissaries, and had been filtering information about the state of the Hungarian military and troop movements to the Ottomans. The traitor was immediately executed, but a state of unrest pervaded the empire (stability -3), and Hungary’s foreign relations suffered for a while afterward (monarch administrative skill -3 for 12 months). In August, the Ottoman Empire signed a peace treaty with Austria for 75,000 ducats, leaving Hungary to face the Turks alone.
1558 and 1559 saw some back and forth battles between the Ottomans, their ally the Mamelukes, and the Hungarians. After a few defeats of the Mamelukes, they bowed out of the war for a payment of 25,000 ducats in September 1559. Two months later, the Turks signed a peace treaty as well, gaining the province of Krain from Hungary on November 11, 1559. The following month, Hungarian engineers made a breakthrough in land tech (level 10). The king and nobles silently cursed their misfortune at the timing of this research. It truly seemed as if God had abandoned his own and sided with the heathens.
In January 1560, the policy of innovation continued, much to the discomfort of the clergy, who wished to adopt a policy of force-conversion of their remaining non-Catholic provinces, and also to appeal to their fellow Catholics in a crusade to drive the heathen Turks back from rightfully Catholic lands (stability -1). However, it did not take them long to realize the gravity of the situation, and they begrudingly agreed to adopt the king’s policy of innovation (regained lost stability in March). In June, two powerful noble families brought their decades-long feud before the king (random event: noble families feud). The king, not wishing to cause any more unnecessary unrest, sided with the more powerful family. Naturally, the other family protested, and a revolt broke out in their home province in Pest. The revolt was quickly crushed and order was restored in December.
The next few years (1561-1566) were more or less quiet ones, with only the occassional revolt to break the peace. These were of course quickly put down, and general order ruled. Merchants were sent abroad and diplomatic channels were reopened. Royal marriages were arranged with Spain, Portugal, Savoy, and even faraway Eire. Hungary also watched with interest her neighbor Siebenbergen, which was locked into a pair of wars with the Ottoman Empire and Lithuania. She came off badly in both, losing the province of Ruthenia to the Turks and Moldava to Lithuania. This left them with just their home province of Transylvania, making them ripe for a later annexation.
A new Habsburg ruler took the throne in July 1564. Maximillian II, known as Maksimillian I to the Hungarians, was a capable diplomat, but only an average administrator and warrior (D:4, A:3, M:3). However, he was responsible for a reformation of the army (random event), resulting in an increase in military technology research (+250 ducats). He also arranged a royal marriage with Luxembourg on January of 1566. Being a Habsburg, and therefore a foreigner, his rule was resented by some of the populace, and a revolt broke out in Odenburg in June 1566. The revolt was quickly crushed and order restored, but it brought to light once again Hungary’s status now as a second-rate European power.
1567 opened quietly, with merchants being sent Andalusia, Venice, and Novgorod. On January 19, Poland formally annexed Lithuania, and Hungary saw that the time was ripe for testing her new military reforms. War was declared on February 1, 1567. Savoy and Austria honored the alliance with Hungary, and Poland’s allies too honored their part of the agreement. The stage was set for yet another conflict in Hungary’s long history of such wars.
War was declared on whom? I will assume the nasty Turks. Time to start gettting those shield lands back. Can you give us a recap of you state. Which provinces you own, who are your vassals and allies. Finally, how your 4 skills (land, Navy, Trade and Infrastructure stack up against your neighbours.
declared war on poland. they had two of my shield provinces, and with theire civil unrest following annexing lithuania, i thought the time was good to DOW them.
by this time i was down to 4 provinces: magyar, pest, odenburg, and presburg. the rest of my shield lands were in the hands of the turks or poles.
land tech level was 10 at this time. lower than austria and the ottomans, but actually higher than poland. naval i have never even bothered to research since i'm landlocked, so that's my lowest tech (i think it was 3 or 4 at this time). trade and infra i have been researching along with land tech. i just got infra level 5 last night and am about to get trade 5. at this time i think i was at level 3 in both.
politically, i was still a vassal of austria and allied to them, along with the german state of hessen.
by this time i was down to 4 provinces: magyar, pest, odenburg, and presburg. the rest of my shield lands were in the hands of the turks or poles.
land tech level was 10 at this time. lower than austria and the ottomans, but actually higher than poland. naval i have never even bothered to research since i'm landlocked, so that's my lowest tech (i think it was 3 or 4 at this time). trade and infra i have been researching along with land tech. i just got infra level 5 last night and am about to get trade 5. at this time i think i was at level 3 in both.
politically, i was still a vassal of austria and allied to them, along with the german state of hessen.
I have only just finished reading this thread and i'd like to echo what some of the guys have already stated here. Its incredible you are still playing the game, a testament to your own personal willpower. I'd have quit ages ago
I am not a big fan of characters and storytelling like some of the AAR's here, i just like the facts and screenshots... if slightly embellished and well written. For a first AAR you should pat yourself heartily on the back.
Keep going!
I am not a big fan of characters and storytelling like some of the AAR's here, i just like the facts and screenshots... if slightly embellished and well written. For a first AAR you should pat yourself heartily on the back.
Keep going!
It sounds like picking on Poland was the best choice. How long are you going to stay a vassal of Austria? I'm finding it enjoyable seeing the struggles you’re going through and the solutions that you’re coming up with.
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Joe