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1504-1516: weaknesses revealed

The years immediately following the fall of the Hungarian government were relatively quiet ones (there were a few minor revolts that were quickly crushed), as Hungary tried to put back together its shattered military and economy, and reestablish diplomatic ties that had been severed during the Dark Years. To this end, merchants were sent to all the usual centers of trade: Tago, Constantinople, Venice, Genoa, Andalusia. Trade agreements were also made with Portugal, Spain, and Venice. The monetary gifts to neighboring nations resumed at this time. The Ottoman Empire took advantage of this lull and began an annexation spree in the Balkans: first Serbia (07/1504), later Ragusa and Bosnia (08/1513). In her pitiful state, Hungary was helpless to aid her vassals, and could only watch and wonder when the Turks would once again turn their attention to them.

Hungary needed to build a military, and spent most of its income the next decade or so on troops and fortifications. All of this massive spending led to widespread corruption by crooked administrators (random corruption events in 1507,1509, and 1513. When that last one hit, I had 99 ducats in the treasury and had to take a loan), but this massive spending was necessary, as Hungary was sure to be attacked again. She had begun to lag behind technologically to some of her neighbors, in particular Austria and the Ottoman Empire, and this worried the king. This worry would later prove to be well-founded. But for now, little could be done but build, build, build…. and wait.

They would not have long to wait. On June 9, 1514, Brandenburg declared war on Hungary and its ally Ragusa. Ragusa dishonored the alliance, but that was expected. What truly worried the king and the nobles was that Brandenburg was allied to neighboring Bohemia, and scouts indicated that the Bohemians were marching a large army into Hungarian territory. The new general, János Szapolyai, was a decent enough leader (M:2, F:2, S:2), but his army was composed mostly of new recruits who had no battle experience. Soon enough, they would earn it, as they were immediately marched north to meet the Bohemian threat. They finally met the Bohemians on September 20, and the two old enemies clashed once again. But the inexperienced Hungarian army was no match for the Bohemians, and they retreated after six days of hard fighting. Two more attacks would also fail, but Szapolyai hoped to at least slow the Bohemians down if he could not defeat them entirely.

On 1515, a new Hungarian commander graduated from the military academy and was immediately commissioned to active duty on January 1. Miklos Zrinyi graduated top of the class, and displayed extraordinary abilities in both field and siege warfare (M:3, F:2, S:2, S:1). These skills would immediately be needed, for the Ottomans Empire, seeing its opportunity, declared war on September 5, 1515. Fortunately for the Hungarians, their engineers had discovered a new way to breach fortress walls by assaulting them rather than starve the garrison in months-long sieges (land tech to level 5).

J.S.’s constant attacks on the Bohemians in the north were wearing the enemy down, as well as giving his troops valuable battle experience. A full-scale counterattack was launched on September 25, the same day that Turkish forces laid siege to Kosovo in the south. This time, J.S.’s troops carried the day, and chased the retreating Bohemians back across the border, where they lay siege to Brünn in Moravia on the 27th.

By now the Turks had gathered in force, and a second army had crossed the Hungarian border by night and had reached Banat, where they initiated a siege. The first army, meanwhile, had taken Kosovo on October 13 and moved on to Croatia. Things were now becoming desperate once again for Hungary, who needed to end one war to avoid being blitzed on both fronts. The Ottomans would mercifully end the war after taking Croatia on February 13, 1516, and a peace was signed which gave the Turks control of that province. Now Hungary could concentrate on the Bohemians without having to worry about her southern borders - at least for another 5 years. Ulászló II died on April 14, 1516, and a new king, Lajos, ascended the throne (D:3, A:3, M:2). He sought a quick end to the war in the north, and got it on July 15, when Brandenburg was bought off for the sum of 55,000 ducats. Hungary had lost some money and one province, but considering her woeful state of preparedness, had been fortunate. They would not be so fortunate in future wars.

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Ouch, your Hungary is taking it on the chin. :)

Seems like you need a useful alliance soon. Sounds like Poland was fond of beatin up on you, but would they be a possibility?

Or maybe Austria? Venice?

But I'm definitely enjoying your work on this AAR. Keep it up!


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My beloved Hungary is in ruins, but there is still hope. I have some suggestions you may want to consider.

I believe your hungary needs to focus on the following: If fighting a hopeless cause, lose only 1 provence at a time. Do not buy any forts, armies or improvements in naval and military.
Sink all of you money into Trade until you get to the next level and then into Infrastructure until the next level. Make sure you have a Fina arts Academy, if you haven't first save up money and start building that. The only exception to the above is when you lose stability (random events, slider change), Here you should invest all of you money in stability until you are at +3.

Do not accept inflation from random events where you have an option, take the hit in stability. Also, always make sure you have about 200 ducats so you don't incur any debts. This is also helpful to buy the merchants you need to make money (I use autosend merchants). The higher your trade level, the more money and more successful you merchants are. The higher your infrastructure the more productive you are. Also, this gives you Bailiffs, legal counsils and mayors.

Sue for peace at any chance, a good trick is to win a quick battle somewhere were the enemy has few units. Then sue for peace, giving money. Never meet his army full on. Always let his army land and besiege you cities, he immediately starts losing units due to attrition (You should always wate to attack besieging rebels until there force has wittled down a bit). Until the city is in yellow or red, let him waste his time. If he still has a superior force, lose the city and rebeseige it when he moves on to the next city. The good thing is, you suffer no attrition loss when rebesieging cities, because of this, and the fact that rebeseiging a city takes less time than originally beseiging it, you can fight a defensive war with inferior troup size and inferior military ability.

Rebels are your friends, if any city goes in revolt during a war, leave it be, your would be invader might kill the rebels or besiege the city himself. Focus on reattacking your lost cities (lost to the enemy then rebels in that order)

One the sliders, it may be too risky to take on self imposed stability loss, but when you have the chance, improve the items that increase productivity, trade and learning. You could care less about war fatigue, you are always at stability +3 and are getting to be more and more homogeneous as you emprire shrinks. You ar ealso not interested in war anyway and are looking to sue for peace early.

I believe the skills that need improving are Innovative, Centralize, Free people (Not serf), Non monarchist.

one or two of these slider categories effect more than one of the productive, merchant, research. Get these to at least neutral before anything else. Obvisously when given an event that changes things, take the option that leads you in the right direction.

You are facing the problem I envisioned before, you can''t let your infrastructure slide too much. It doesn't matter what your military strength is relative to your enemies, because all your fighting is re-besieging you own towns or the odd rebel during peace years (or at the conclusion of the wars).

If they ever offer peace for money, take it. Money is cheap relative to time.

Never again declare war on anyone until you have +3 stability, better infrastrucure and trade levels than your opponent, money in the bank 600 or so ducats, full ability to recruit (should be a number like 18 or 20), a reasonable sized army to beseige one to three provinces. This probably won't happen until the 1700's now for you.

Let the turks overextend themselves, get a notorious reputation and look out foropportunities. New countrie will spawn, will you have the money and diplomats to do the 1-2-3, gift-marraige-alliance. within three months you can gain many diplomatic points and a possible vassal with some work. Once vassalised, you could even eventually annex. Turkey is certainly going to skrew up his balkan territories and they will eventually rebel, be ready to pounce diplomatically.

Try to keep you shield provinces, these give you the most money, rebel last, enable to obtain new troups. Even these are not equal. Try to keep Magyar and Pest as a minimum. Best, try to make Austria and Turkey adjacent, maybe they will fight each other. Same for Poland and Turkey.


It may be unrealistic to follow my advise, in the end, the game should be fun. I look forward to your next update.


I wouln'd mind having at crack at your game, how are game scenarios exchanged on this forum?
 

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lt. tyler - i'm definately struggling to get back up following my gov't collapse. i'm down to 5 provinces now, with poles to the north and turks to the south (here i am, stuck in the middle with siebenbergen :p). they have this nasty habit of double DOW'ing me. one will DOW me first, and when i move to deal with them, the other nation will DOW. it's a good plan by the AI though, and i'm actually enjoying the challenge.

as for allies, i have an alliance with austria that i got from the "death of king lajos" event, but so far the austrians haven't really done much for me. they sent one army to fight the turks, fought one battle, then went back home. the second time the ottomans DOW'd me they didn't send any help at all. thanks for nothing, austria.



madmagyar - i have done part of what you suggested. i fought two wars with the ottomans last night, losing a province in each one. poland attacked, but i only lost some money there. now i did DOW transylvania and fought a standstill war with them, losing a little cash for peace. i was lucky to get out out of it with that. it started out well but then went south, and i just managed to pull a draw with them. my land tech is up to level 8 now so i'm going for infra on my next research, but it still will take a few decades to get the next level.

the problem with saving money is that my yearly income is not that great anymore, only about 45 or so ducats a year. so at that rate, it would take 20 years or so to have enough for a fine arts academy. most of my best provinces are now in the hands of the turks or poles, and i only have a few low-income provinces left.

i've been trying to fight guerilla campaigns against the turks since they have a higher tech level and spank me unless i have a huge numerical advantage. it's been somewhat successful, as i've lost one province each in two wars with the ottomans.

i'm working on my innovative slider right now, and have it one notch from full right now. the high tech costs in the early game was really hurting. i think next i'll go centralization, or free subjects.

politically, i have an alliance with austria, but as i told lt. tyler, they're not doing much to help me out, either fighting only one battle and then going home, or not sending any troops at all. but at least they keep one of my flanks secure, and with poland next door, it might make them think twice about attacking me. my land tech is actually higher than poland's so i'm thinking of possibly expanding north at their expense....

as i said, i'm getting my ass kicked right now, but i'm liking the challenge. i still got over 200 years to make a comeback, though. i'm not quite dead yet....
 

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the next "installment" is sort of an overview of the first hundred years and a preview of the next few decades. the next proper report will probably be sometime tonight.
 

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1516 closed quietly, the only other major event being the Treaty of Tordesillas in September of that year. The two Iberian nations, Spain and Portugal, had been sending explorers to attempt to find a new sea route to the riches of Asia, as the land route was now closed by the Ottoman Empire. Both Lisbon and Sevilla had become maritime and trade centers that rivaled even the great Italian cities of Venice and Genoa. In fact, it had been a Genoese explorer named Columbo who had sailed on behalf of the Spanish crown and had “discovered” a new sea route to Asia. Or so it had seemed at the time. Later, it became apparent that this was not in fact Asia, but an entire undiscovered continent. Both Spain and Portugal laid claim to the riches of this New World, and had appealed to the pope to settle the dispute. Rome had drawn up this treaty, which effectively split the new territory between the two nations. The other would-be maritime powers, such as Venice, resented this action, but were effectively made helpless by the treaty, as Spain and Portugal could claim the colonies and trading posts of another nation in it territory without needing a declaration of war. But none of this concerned Hungary, who was at the moment locked in a war for survival against two enemies that both wanted to strike the killing blow.

To the south lay the rapidly expanding Ottoman Empire, who represented the biggest threat not only to Hungary, but to all of Christian Europe since the Dark Ages. Their self-proclaimed jihad, or holy war on the Christian world had brought them from Asia Minor, through the former Byzantine Empire, and into the Balkan Peninsula. So far no nation had stood against them for long, and it seemed that Hungary would be next on their ever-growing list of conquests. But Hungary was not going down without a fight, and the Ottoman sultans were growing annoyed at the shrinking nation that continued to defy them. They were more determined than ever now to stamp out the infidels’ resistance and convert them to Islam.

North of Hungary lay their one-time allies Poland. Together with their allies Lithuania and Bohemia, they represented a giant danger that threatened to swallow their southern neighbor and incorporate it into their ever-growing empire. Though Poland and Hungary were both Catholic nations, that had never mattered much to its rulers, who desired above all to gain territory in the Balkan peninsula and perhaps gain a port on the Mediterranean. The Poles had already taken one province from Hungary, and would take more as the years progressed. Though they lagged behind Hungary in military technology, their large size meant that they could overwhelm the Huns through sheer manpower alone. Indeed, much Polish blood had been spilled in Hungary, and much more would be spilled in the decades to come.

And there was always Austria and Bohemia to worry about. Though Bohemia was smaller than Hungary, her army was more technologically advanced, and her alliance with Poland and Bohemia meant that she had the protection of two giants on her eastern border. Austria, for its part, had been on more or less friendly terms with Hungary, but that had changed with the beginning of the Dark Years. Hungary’s rapid expansion into the Balkans had worried the Habsburgs, who feared a strong Hungary on their southern border, and they too had turned on their once close friend, hoping to cash in on her weakness and solidify their power in central Europe.

As the 15th century closed and the 16th century began, Hungary found itself alone, surrounded by enemies and without allies, and was fast running out of both time and territory. Hungary had both gained and lost much in the preceding century: she had rapidly expanded her borders and at one time was part of a powerful alliance featuring Poland and Lithuania. Then the Turks had come calling, and Hungary responded well, splitting two wars with the Ottoman Empire, and even gaining some territory for a brief time. But then had come massive civil unrest: first the Hungarian Civil War, and two decades later, the Dark Years. The aristocracy had tried twice to challenge the authority of their kings and twice the kings had responded brutally, executing many nobles and forcing others into exile. This had weakened the government, as many of Hungary’s finest generals and administrators had been lost in the massive civil unrest that followed.

Other nations had grown weary of Hungary’s rapid expansion and sought to bring a halt to it lest they too be annexed by the Hun hordes. With Hungary facing two massive rebellions in two decades, she was severely weakened, and such an opportunity could not be passed up. The Turks had taken back the territory they had lost to Hungary in the Second Turkish War, Poland had taken territory in the Carpathians, and even Venice and Austria had attempted a land grab, though neither of them received anything except small cash payments for their efforts. But still, the damage had been done, and a battered and bloody Hungary now lay at the feet of her enemies, for them to dispose of at their leisure.

But though down, she was not out. True, most of her army had been lost in the Dark Years, but a small core of troops remained, veterans now after decades of fighting. With fewer territories to defend and fewer cultures to police, civil unrest was no longer the problem it once was. The massive social unrest of the last century had made it clear that if Hungary were to survive, she could not afford to remain in a medieval feudalistic society, and so a policy of innovation had begun. The task ahead of them was a grim one indeed: reconquer her lost territories and keep the Turks out of Europe, but Hungarians had always been a proud people, and like the phoenix, sought to rise from the flames of war and live again. Only time would tell whether or not they would be successful, and so began a policy of trading territory for time, until the army could be rebuilt and diplomatic relations could be established.
 

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Re: magyar magic:hungary

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Have you ever thought about writing a historical fiction built around your post?

not yet, but now that SOMEONE loaded microsoft word onto my computer.... :D

have to see how the game turns out first, though. it could be a tragic tale of woe, or a tale of triumph over seeming tragedy.
 

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hey everyone. hope you're enjoying your weekends. here's another installment for you to read when you get time.
 

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more wars and the death of king lajos

The next few years would pass rather quickly, as Hungary tried to re-established diplomatic relations with her neighbors and rebuilt her shattered army. With the Ottoman Empire busy in Italy (they would capture Rome in June of 1518), this was a good opportunity to prepare for another invasion that was sure to come. Not everyone approved of the drafting of large numbers of peasants for the army, and a revolt broke out in Kosovo in July 1519. However, as the province was isolated from the rest of Hungary, the revolt could not be crushed, and the rebels eventually joined the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the nation was content if not happy, and no more revolts broke out, for the time being (not until 1524). To help fund this large-scale expansion of the army, merchants were sent to Venice and Lisbon, and a trade agreement was signed with Spain.

1524 was another eventful year. It started with a massive peasant rebellion in some border provinces (random event: unhappiness among peasantry. Revolt risk +3 for 36 months and revolts in two random provinces), which were both crushed in February and March. On January 15, a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed a list of "95 theses" to a church door in Germany. He preached against the ills of the Catholic church, and called for a reformation of the corruption and hypocrisy of the clergy. Naturally, this did not please the pope or other church leaders, who had Luther excommunicated. But his message spread throughout the countryside, and many provinces throughout Europe adopted his reforms. Hungary was no exception, with one of its provinces (Banat) converting to the new Protestant faith of Luther.

This was also the year the hostilies with the neighbors continued. First the Ottoman Empire (in May) Poland (in October) would declare war on Hungary in 1524. As the Hungarian army was already dealing with the Turks, the Poles moved about unhindered for the first few months of the war. Two Polish armies moved in Presburg and Ruthenia in December 1524 and January 1525 and laid siege to the provinces. The Hungarians had done well against the Turks initially, capturing Croatia and Serbia, but with more Turkish armies approaching and the Poles having crossed the northern border, Hungary sued for peace with the Ottoman Empire, ceding Croatia to the Turks. Now the Hungarian armies marched north to deal with the Polish.

After an initial setback in Ruthenia, the Hungarians crossed into Polish territory and laid siege to Carpathia in July 1525. Fighting off two Polish attacks, they finally captured the province after an assault on the fortress in November 1525. From there, the Hungarians marched on to Krakow and defeated the small garrison left there. They then laid siege to the Polish capital on April 2, 1525. A Polish envoy then sent an offer of peace and a payment of 104,000 ducats, which was eagerly accepted. In two quick wars, Hungary had lost only one province and had taken some cash from her attackers. Of course, the lost province would hurt, but there was always time to recapture land. Hungary had bought herself at least five years of peace.

But not all five years would be peaceful, for in August of 1526, the Hungarian king Lajos died, leaving no heir to the throne. The line of succession meant the crown would pass to the king of Transylvania or to the Habsburgs in Austria, whomever was chosen by a delegation of nobles and clergy. After a day of debate, the council made its decision, and on August 9, 1526, Ferdinand of Austria was crowned King of Hungary. Hungary would now be a vassal of Austria, and would enter her military alliance with England and Hessen. Though some nobility complained at being reduced to a mere vassal state, they accepted the decision, as Hungary was without allies and faced two powerful foes on her northern and southern borders. Hungary now had a powerful ally of her own, and her western flank was now secure from potential invasion.

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A sad story, just like one of those 19th century epics.... Nice to see you didn`t give up after all that madness. I played with Hungary once myself in multiplayer and would rather not think back about that one... but I like the way you write even as you made a bit of a mess about the familiarity of hungarian kings to eachother ;) (Sigismund was in fact the last king of Luxemburg-dynasty, Ulaszlo I was polish king Wladyslaw III, Ulaszlo II was his nephew and king of Bohemia as well. Lajos II was son of Ulaszlo II; Laszlo VI was the Hapsburg-Emperor, also known as Ladislas Postumus; Matthias Korvin Hunyady was not tied to anyone of them afaik )
edit: now I think of it, you weren`t probably that unhappy when siebenbruggen became independent
 
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Originally posted by Kasperus
A sad story, just like one of those 19th century epics.... Nice to see you didn`t give up after all that madness. I played with Hungary once myself in multiplayer and would rather not think back about that one... but I like the way you write even as you made a bit of a mess about the familiarity of hungarian kings to eachother ;) (Sigismund was in fact the last king of Luxemburg-dynasty, Ulaszlo I was polish king Wladyslaw III, Ulaszlo II was his nephew and king of Bohemia as well. Lajos II was son of Ulaszlo II; Laszlo VI was the Hapsburg-Emperor, also known as Ladislas Postumus; Matthias Korvin Hunyady was not tied to anyone of them afaik )
edit: now I think of it, you weren`t probably that unhappy when siebenbruggen became independent

obviously, i'm not too familiar with the history of hungary. i tried to find a chart showing the line of succession of the hungarian kings but was unable to find it, so i've just had to guess as to the identity of their succession.

i'm well ahead in the game now, and have made a comeback of sorts, which you'll read about eventually. i have enjoyed playing the game, even though i got kicked around a lot in the middle of the game.
 

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Originally posted by King Of Nines


obviously, i'm not too familiar with the history of hungary. i tried to find a chart showing the line of succession of the hungarian kings but was unable to find it, so i've just had to guess as to the identity of their succession.

i'm well ahead in the game now, and have made a comeback of sorts, which you'll read about eventually. i have enjoyed playing the game, even though i got kicked around a lot in the middle of the game.
Well, that`s the spirit. :D Hope to read about it soon
 

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Re: magyar magic:hungary

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Now that you are a vassel of Austria, will things be better with the Turks and Poles? Be careful of what you ask for, cause you might get it. I am looking forward to seeing where this goes. :)

i don't want to get ahead of myself, but let's just say that i'm not quite dead yet. :D

Well, that`s the spirit. Hope to read about it soon

keep the comments/critiques coming, guys. next update will be posted in a few.
 

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the alliance tested: 1527-1539

The new alliance seemed to come not a moment too soon, as the Ottoman Empire, in its mad rampage across Italy, sacked the city of Rome and formally annexed the Papal States on April 5,1527. Later that same month, a military alliance was finalized between France, Spain, and Portugal. Thus, a delicate balance of power was established in Europe.

1528 opened with more monetary gifts to Siebenbergen in an attempt to re-established the relations between the two former allies. The nation gradually began to settle into the new rule under the Habsburgs in Austria (gained two stability points, bringing stability to +2 overall), though there was still some displeasure among the commoners at being ruled by a foreign king (random event: unhappiness among the peasantry. Stability -2 back to 0. Revolt risk +3 for 6 months. Revolt in a random province). The revolt of course was quickly crushed, and eventually the commoners too began to accept the new arrangement (gained another 2 stability points. Stability now +2 overall). Elsewhere in Europe, the Ottoman Empire accepted peace with Venice for a payment of 88,000 ducats. In November, Sweden became the first nation in Europe to formally embrace the new Protestant faith of Martin Luther.

January 1530 saw the beginning of the new policy of innovation, which was accepted, though with some hesitation on the part of the nobility and clergy, who preferred the old policy of narrow-mindedness (stability -1 to +1), but gradually accepted it nonetheless (gained back +1 stability later that year). Things passed quietly until February 1531, when Hungary’s ally Hessen declared war on newly-Protestant Sweden. Austria, England, and Hungary honored the alliance, though Hungary was not intent on sending troops to support a war many miles away. Besides, her best military leader, Miklos Zrinyi, had died in January 1530, and Hungary needed time to train and recruit more troops.

In January 1532, merchants were sent to Venice and Lisbon. A rush of merchants the previous year (04/1530) had expanded the number who were willing to ply their trade abroad. A missionary was also sent to the province of Banat to convert the populace there back to the Catholic faith (which would be successful in 1537). The remainder of the year passed by uneventfully, save for an independence movement on the island of Corsica, which rebelled from their Ottoman oppressors in October 1532. In March of 1533, a group of nobles, pledging their support for the new Habsburg monarchy, donated a portion of their estates to the crown (random event: gift to the state. +200 ducats). Later that same month, the Ottoman Empire, having wrapped up its Italian campaigns, once again turned its attention to the Balkans, and declared war on Hungary on March 22. Fortunately for Hungary, its allies Austria and Hessen honored the alliance, though whether or not they would send troops remained to be seen.

The war started well for Hungary, with victories over the Turks in Serbia and Croatia and initiating sieges in Wallachia and Serbia. The Austrians sent a large army of their own, which reached Bosnia on October 5 and defeated the Ottoman army in the province. The year closed with no further military maneuvers. 1534 opened with some bad, though not altogether unexpected, news: England, Hungary’s ally, converted to the Protestant faith, thus leaving the alliance and backing out of the war. No military help had really been expected from the English though, so Hungary was not altogether distressed at hearing the news. In March, the Hungarians captured Serbia, and its ally Hessen captured Bosnia in August 1534. With these two provinces in allied hands, a quick peace offer was made, which was rejected by the Turks. A large Turkish had army attacked the Hungarians in Wallachia, and faced with superior numbers of the enemy, the Hungarians had retreated, though they would return to re-siege the province in August. To fund the war effort, the government authorized a sale of offices. This brought a short-term gain into the treasury (100 ducats), though at the cost of short-term inflation (+3) and a loss in long-term revenue (tax value -1 in Presburg).

Things would get worse in 1535. After their initial victories, the armies of Austria and Hessen returned home to continue the war against Sweden, leaving the Turks to fight their old enemies alone. The Ottoman Empire sent a large army to besiege Serbia, and recaptured Bosnia from Hessen in August. This did not go unnoticed by the other nations of Europe, and on September 21, 1535, Hungary’s enemy Bohemia, backed by her ally Poland, declared war on Hungary. Austria and Hessen verbally expressed support for her ally, but Hungary doubted whether or not they would actually commit any troops after seeing their withdrawal from the Balkans. The Poles moved an army into Presburg and began a siege there in December.

This two-front war would wage on until 1539, with many back-and-forth battles being fought in both the north and south. The Hungarians for the most part avoided conflict with the main armies, preferring to let their enemies attrit themselves in long sieges. The strategy for the most part worked, particularly in the north, where the winder months took a severe toll on the Polish and Bohemians. In the south, they gave ground slowly to the Turks, until they could secure a peace treaty in the north, which was finally achieved on January 3, 1539 with a status-quo peace. Peace with the Turks was eventually secured in exchange for the province of Banat, but they were not done with war yet. Venice had declared war on Austria in 1537, so Hungary sent her army into the province of Istria, hoping perhaps to gain a province in exchange for the one lost to the Ottomans. But it would prove to be foolhardy. The Hungarians, lagging behind in military land technology (level 6 was reached in 1537) were no match for the Venetians, who completely routed the Hungarians in only a few days of fighting. With her entire army eliminated, Hungary was now completely helpless before her enemies, and only the recent truces signed protected her from being overrun. Mercifully, Austria and Venice agreed to peace just a few days after the Hungarians were destroyed in Istria. Hungary had bought herself some more time, but needed to act quickly if she were to be ready for another possible attack in five years.

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This is probably the best 'I've been kicked in the balls, but I keep coming back for more' AAR that I've ever read. Kudos to you KoN, for keeping this going. I think many would have abandoned something like this long ago. :cool:
 

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Originally posted by Lord Durham
This is probably the best 'I've been kicked in the balls, but I keep coming back for more' AAR that I've ever read. Kudos to you KoN, for keeping this going. I think many would have abandoned something like this long ago. :cool:

well, thanks for the compliment. actually at one point i was considering quitting the game, but the various comments i've gotten on it made me keep going. my writing skills are better than my gameplay skills... ;)

but stick around. as you'll soon find out... i've still got some teeth left. i'm not quite dead yet... :D
 

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Originally posted by King Of Nines


but stick around. as you'll soon find out... i've still got some teeth left. i'm not quite dead yet... :D

I think many will definately stick around for this. LD is right, this is a great AAR simply by its nature. You may be down but you are not out and you let us read how you survive. Thats one of the most fascinating stories, not utter conquest, but pure survival. I am asking myself, can you do it? can you go the distance? :D ;)

What a Game!---> (hint, hint)
 

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Originally posted by Warspite


I think many will definately stick around for this. LD is right, this is a great AAR simply by its nature. You may be down but you are not out and you let us read how you survive. Thats one of the most fascinating stories, not utter conquest, but pure survival. I am asking myself, can you do it? can you go the distance? :D ;)

What a Game!---> (hint, hint)

well, all i'll say at this point is that i'm still kicking about 100 years ahead of where i am in the report. i'm building my army and adjusting my DP sliders to make a final push in the last 100 years.