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You definitely handled that civil war nicely - that's a really nasty event that I've only had to handle on one or two occasions. In one case it completely scuppered my quest for WC with Mantua since I lost almost all of Italy in a matter of 2 years and Austria took advantage of my weakness to jump down my throat.

Having played Hungary, I know what's in store for you in about 40 years. Have fun. :)
 

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Originally posted by MrT
You definitely handled that civil war nicely - that's a really nasty event that I've only had to handle on one or two occasions. In one case it completely scuppered my quest for WC with Mantua since I lost almost all of Italy in a matter of 2 years and Austria took advantage of my weakness to jump down my throat.

Having played Hungary, I know what's in store for you in about 40 years. Have fun. :)

uh oh. that doesn't sound too good. :p but whatever it is, it can't be as bad as what happened to me last night. you'll read about that in the installment after the turkish wars, which i'm about to put up.

enjoy....
 

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the turkish wars: 1478-1490

The Ottoman Turks, led by their sultan Mehmed II, started the war off by marching into Wallachia and laying siege to Bucharesti in February 1478. In response, King Matty led his army into Bulgaria and besiged Sofia in March. A second Turkish army marched into Kosovo and defeated the Serbian army there later that month. Neighboring Bosnia took advantage of the situation by declaring war on Serbia, and Hungary responded with its own declaration of war against Bosnia. The second Hungarian army, this one led by Pal Kinisczi, marched into Kosovo and defeated the Turks there. But it would amount to little, as the Ottoman Empire would annex Serbia on November 20, 1478, leaving Hungary to fight the Turks alone. But not for long, as the Italian city-state of Savoy approached Hungary with an alliance offer in July 1479. Hungary accepted, and Savoy entered the war against the Ottoman Empire.

In the meantime, the sultan’s army had captured Bucharesti and marched onto Dalmatia. Then began a series of back and forth battles, as the two nations outmanuevered and outfought each other over the next eighteen months. The army of the Sultan and the army of the King of Hungary fought several inconclusive engagements until finally meeting one last time in Bulgaria in July of 1479. There, the two leaders, Sultan Mehmed II and King Matty of Hungary, fought an epic struggle that lasted a week. Many soldiers on both sides met their end during the Battle of Bulgaria, but by the grace of God, the Christians prevailed over the heathen Turks. The sultan himself was killed by arrows, and with their leader dead, the Turkish lines disintegrated under a Hungarian cavalry charge.

But even with their sultan dead, The Ottomans fought on, and it would be another year before the war was concluded with an offer of the troublesome province of Wallachia to the Ottoman Empire in June of 1480. Rebels had sprung up in Serbia, and the rebels had secured the province in August 1479 and had marched onto Banat, and were even now laying siege to the provincial capital. In addition, there was the unconcluded war with Bosnia to complete. The Bosnian army had moved into Serbia and was besieging the rebel-held stronghold in Beograd. King Matty himself moved to deal with the rebels in Banat, while Pal’s army was sent to Serbia to defeat the Bosnians and recapture Beograd from the rebels. The Bosnian army was defeated June 1 and the rebel army crushed in July. Beograd fell on August 1, and both armies moved onto Bosnia, where they defeated the remnants of the Bosnian army and laid siege to Sarajevo on September 30.

Bosnia would be formally annexed on August 30, 1481, but not before more revolts broke out in Krain and Odenburg. The rebel armies managed to take the provinces while the Hungarian armies were sieging Sarajevo. When the king heard that the garrison in Krain had joined the rebellion (revolt automatically captured the province), he went insane, and remained in a deep rage for a while afterward (random event: temporary insanity of monarch. A/D/M all –3 for 12 months). But once Sarajevo fell and Bosnia was secured, the armies were sent to deal with the rebels, and deal with them harshly. Under no circumstances would the Hungarian armies show any mercy to the rabble that dared threaten the king’s authority.

1482 was spent putting down the rebellions, though the king did find time to order a fortress expansion in Serbia (level 2 fort). Krain was recaptured in late January and the rebel garrison was slaughtered to the last, their bodies hung from the walls as a warning. Rebel armies in Pest and Bosnia were defeated, and Odenburg was recaptured in July. The rebel garrison there met the same fate as their bretheren in Krain.

With things a bit calmer in 1483, merchants were sent abroad to Constantinople, Novgorod, and Lisbon. In October, the Ottoman Empire declared war on Karaman and the Golden Horde. Hungary watch this war with interest, waiting for a possible opportunity to strike the Turks in the back. An heirless noble died (random event) at the end of the year and his lands were seized by the crown, increasing tax revenues in Moravia (+1) and increasing the treasury (+30 ducats). There was some grumbling (stability –1), but it soon dissipated (gained +1 stability in 07/1485) as the nation waited anxiously for news of the Turkish war in Asia. 1484 and 1485 passed with only minor revolts in Dalmatia (05/1484 and 04/1485) that were both crushed easily. More merchants were sent out, and an Italian engineer was hired for a small fee (-50 ducats) to prepare the troops for the possible coming war with the Ottomans (offensive doctrine –1).

They would not have long to wait. In February, word came of the Ottomans’ capture of Taurus from Karaman. A month later, Kerch was seized from the Golden Horde. Sensing a quick victory, the Ottomans had transferred all of their Balkan armies to Asia Minor, and the time was ripe to strike. Hungary delivered the declaration of war to the Ottoman Empire on April 4, 1486. Her allies too declared war, though they were not expected to contribute any troops. Some of the nobles complained that this was not a legitimate war (stability –2, +1 overall), but were ignored by the majority, who wished to see their Christian warriors victorious over the heathen hordes. Kosovo was besieged on April 22, and three months later, the Ottoman Empire sued for peace with Karaman, gaining the province of Konya. The Turkish armies returned to the Balkans and laid siege to Serbia in August.

Several skirmishes were fought in Bosnia and in Ragusa, with the Hungarians emerging victorious both times. Ragusa was besieged in October. Also that same month, a revolt broke out in Bosnia, where an Ottoman army was besieging Sarajevo. Hating the Turks as much as their own foreign ruler, they attacked the Turks, but were soundly defeated. Kosovo was captured in November 1486, and the army moved on to Bulgaria, where a large Turkish army awaited them. They were immediately attacked, and though they fought bravely, they were outnumbered at least 2-1. The survivors retreated back to friendly territory to gather reinforcements and supplies. The Turkish army did not pursue, but moved on to Kosovo to recapture the province, and arrived there in January of 1487.

It was then that the peasants, tired of almost constant warfare during the reign of King Matty, declared that they would refuse to fight any more wars for a king who sent them to their deaths like cattle (random event: unhappiness among the peasantry. Revolt risk +3 for 6 months and revolts in 2 random provinces). Revolts broke out all over the empire: in Odenburg, in Moravia, in Pest, and even in the capital province of Magyar. These would eventually all be crushed, but the war with the Ottoman Empire took precedence, so some of the rebels enjoyed limited success for a time.

The turning point for Hungary in the Second Turkish War would come in December of 1487. The Turks had recaptured Serbia in April, and the Turkish army there had moved onto Kosovo to join the siege already in progress. With the majority of the Turkish army in one province, the king saw a golden opportunity. If the Ottomans could be defeated here, it would be many months before they could raise another army, and Hungary in the mean time would have free reign in the Balkans. So a two-pronged attack was planned: King Matty’s army would attack from Ragusa to the south, while Pal’s troops would attack from the north. The plan worked beautifully. Matty’s army attacked the Turks on December 23, 1487, just a few days before Pal’s army arrived. The appearance of fresh troops on their rear panicked the Turks, and they fled in disarray. The Hungarians pursued them into Bulgaria, where the remainder of the Turkish troops were eliminated in February 1488.

With their main Balkan army gone, the Ottoman Empire had all but lost the war to Hungary. Sofia fell in June 1489, and Serbia was recaptured soon after. Several Turkish attacks were defeated easily, and on January 5, 1490, the Ottoman Empire offered the provinces of Ragusa, Bulgaria, and Kosovo to Hungary, which was gratefully accepted. King Matty had come out of the war with more than he had hoped. All that remained now was to crush the rebellions that had sprang up after two noble families had gone to war with each other in November 1488 (random event. Chose to let them fight it out. Stability –2), and peace and order would be restored. The only thing of concern was the reputation of the Hungarian Empire internationally, which was not so good. Its recent annexations had made it something of a pariah in Europe, and this was about to rear its head in an ugly way (note: my reputation had dropped to “very bad” by this point).
 

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madmagyar - actually, the "dark years" i'm referring to came from a series of random events/bb wars that i got stuck with, and not from any game scripted events. you'll see the screenshots when i get around to posting that installment. i'm up to 1490 in the AAR and 1510 in the game, so i'm almost caught up to where i am now, but i'll play a few more decades tonight and get back ahead. :)

anyway, my trade and infra levels suck hard right now (level 2, with level 3 not scheduled until sometime in the 1600's). i've been investing all my tech in land, trying to keep pace with austria and the ottomans, but with all the wars and revolts, research has been nonexistant at times. i'm coming up on level 5 in about 2 years though, which i could definately use. not being able to assault those rebel-held forts killed me during the dark years. my last game i as ireland i spent as a defensive recluse and had reached level 10 in trade and infra well before 1820. of course, i had a substantial colonial empire as well. so it definately has a lot to do with how many wars you fight as well as your monthly/yearly income.

my real objective was to try to consolidate all my shield provinces and try and hold back the turks, but i got a little too carried away in annexing and got dragged into some nasty wars because of it. war exhaustion went nuts (because someone was always DOW'ing me) and rebels were all over the place. it only ended when the government fell.
 

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I hate to hear that things went so badly for you, but at least it should make for interesting writting. Good luck for having the guts to continue after such devastation. I, my self, should be continuing my write up for the game this weekend(its at my home computer), so we can see how both of us are doing at the same year.

Your only real problem, that I can see, is that you should have expanded South instead to North West, crippled the Ottomans and then turn youred your attention towards Austria and Germany(I just had a bad war with Austria which you can read about, I got a providence but lost most of my army in the process).

Good luck in the future, may Hungary be ascendant!! :p
 

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Sounds like Ireland is a bit easy. I will have to try it anyway.

I took a completely different approach on my resource allocation. I never fought Austria longer than it took to sue for peace. I never invested in land in the first 200 years. Austria was so far ahead of me my neighbour bonus was something like +93. eventually, this helped me raise my tech level but I was always 10-20 lower. I am not sure if it is sustainable to let your economy and infrastructure fall behind too much. Eventually the enemies will be able out produce you, all your merchants fail and in the end game, trade income and atariffs are your key money makers.

However, It sounds like you have done a better job of softening up Poland and Austria. In My game, Poland was HUGE! This was after the Poalnd-Lithuania Merger event (no such event ever befalls poor Hungary). So Huge that they elimintated Russia who respanned from Novgorod, The Sibirs and varous other Siberian tribes survived to 1819, Russia never got off the ground.

Austria was a megaforce that only had a viable enemy when France became a Colonial Collosus (this was due to a weak England). Within 100 years they controlled most of Germany and parts of italy. They had no more mandatory unrest in most of Germany by 1650. I can't imagine the army force size they could muster but I am sure it was more than the sum of 7 (later 6) provinces that I had that added to to my forcepool. Their army was always about 10 times bigger than mine. Battles with austria were hilarious, I went for 100% defensive docrine, he laid siege to city, I avoided his armies head on and recaptured his captured cities. This merry go round would continue until I would sue for peace offer loads of cash and on rare occasion a province if I was really stuck. By 1819 I had surrended the Line (Pressburg, Oldenburg, Krain, Istria) in various wars. Conquering Austria was a bridge too far, besides I had bigger fish to fry anyway.....

I also wasted alot of time vassalising non adjacent coutries and failing to be allowed to annex them, once I RTFM I realised you can only annex adjacent vassals, dooh!
 

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danielmccollum - yeah, it was really painful to see all those rebels burning my empire, and to finally see the "your goverment has collpsed!" message on my screen, but i was kind of glad to be rid of the war exhaustion and rebels. i lost one province to poland and i vassalized everyone that could be vassalized to try to alleviate some of the rebels. in the end i lost one more province to rebellion when my government fell. so now i've got to dust myself off and see if i can get back on my horse, if i can find him (where'd he run off to anyway?). but, as you said, it'll make for some interesting writing about the "dark years".

i think i probably should have stopped the wars as soon as i had all of my core provinces, and concentrated on building up my defenses and army for the inevitable declaration of war from the ottomans. but, now that i have a second chance at life, i'll definately be more cautious about expanding.




mad magyar - ireland is not too bad, once you take your one remaining core province from the english. the only thing is, ireland starts the game with only one fortified province, so you'll have to build the others from scratch, and you'll probably have to invade england to get them to cough up meath. that's what i had to do anyway. once that's done, your natural geographic position makes it easy to stay out of european politics and concentrate on expansion abroad. i went full naval on the DP slider and got some random explorers. i used those to establish my colonial empire, mostly in africa and australia with a few colonies in the pacific.

once i get land level 5 (in about a year), i think i'll go with trade or infrastructure. i'm also trying to set my DP slider to full innovative, to counter the loss of research i get with serfdom. that will at least give me default researching instead of the penalty i get currently.

something interesting i should note here is that suzdal is the leading candidate to become russia now. muscovy is reduced to moscow and one other province, while suzdal controls novgorod and the rest of the russian provinces. they're also in the poland-lithuania power alliance, so that may have had something to do with it.

despite the setbacks, this is definately one of the better GC's i've played. the last one i did with ireland got boring at the end and i just ran the game at full speed to get to the end. in this one i've never gone faster than 1 min = 8 months, and that was only when i wasn't at war (which as you can tell hasn't been very often so far :p)
 

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ok, time for the installment on the "dark years". read it and weep....
 

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the dark years: 1490-1503

The trouble began a month later, when Lithuania and its allies declared war on Hungary on February 16, 1490. A Polish army immediately moved into Hungarian territory and laid siege to Grün in Moravia in March. Hungary just wrapped up the war with the Ottoman Empire, Hungary was ill-prepared for another war so soon. Their response to the Polish-Lithuanian attack was delayed further when King Matty died on April 7, 1490. There was no time for a proper ceremony due to the war, so he was hastily buried, and his son, Ulászló II was crowned king (D:4, A:2, M:3). Though he was a capable diplomat, Laz was not much of a warrior or an administrator, so he left the military decisions to his generals and spent most of his days in the palace entertaining guests, and making the occasional administrative decision. His diplomacy skills immediately paid off when he impressed a visiting dignitary from Saxony (random event: diplomatic move. Relations with Saxony +25 and diplomats +1). But no military aid would come of this, and aid was what Hungary needed most, and soon.

But no aid would be coming, now or in the future. A Lithuanian army moved into Ruthenia and sieged the province on May 10, and on May 28, another declaration of war arrived at the capital, this one from Hungary's old enemy Venice. That same day, a hastily-assembled and force-marched Hungarian army was defeated by the Polish outside their capital Krakow. A second Hungarian army moved south, to Istria, and began a desperate siege of the province in July 1490. A second Hungarian attack was defeated by Poland in August, and the following month, Poland and Lithuania captured Moravia. A white peace was signed with Courland, but it would be meaningless, as Hungary agreed to cede the province of Moravia to Poland on September 27, 1490. Poland was now out of the war, but Lithuania remained, and the remnants of the battered northern army moved to Moldova to begin a siege there.

In 1491, the revolts began. The first was in Bulgaria in February. But many more would follow, as a series of events unfolded that would plunge Hungary into the worst disorder in centuries. A noble was assasinated in April (random event), further destabilizing an already-tense situation. The war with Lithuania went well at first, as the Hungarian army eventually captured Moldova and moved onto Jedisan in September. The garrison army was defeated and the provinced was sieged. But they had only been besieging for a few days when a large army from Suzdal attacked. Faced with a seemingly innumerable horde of mad Slavic warriors, the Hungarians retreated. Peace was signed with Lithuania for 50,000 ducats in January 1492. A fortress enlargement was commissioned in Ruthenia to help protect the province from any further attack. Another revolt broke out in Kosovo on March 1.

And then it happened again. Just as they had with Ulászló's father before him, the nobles now challenged the right of his son to rule the kingdom as well (note: this was the second time i got this event, and again i went with the "execute the traitors!" option. In retrospect, maybe I should have stepped down, but in the end it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway, as you will later see). Just as his father did before him, Laz had the nobles executed, plunging the country into further disarray (stability -5, revolt risk +3 for 36 months). As rebels were now a certainty, Hungary sought a quick end to the war with Venice. Istria was taken on June 20 and a peace was signed with Venice for 50,000 ducats, but another declaration of war had already come, this time from Prussia and her allies (Denmark, Brandenburg, and Magdeburg). Revolts broke out in Croatia, Kosovo, and Dalmatia, and more declarations of war came, from Spain and Portugal, and from Naples and her alliance of Italian kingdoms. Now war exhaustion would become an almost certainty, and with the low stability and increased revolt risk, things looked extremely grim.

But it would get worse before it got any better. More revolts broke out in January and February 1493, in Kosovo again, in Ruthenia and Magyar in February. These would be put down, but more followed, in Banat and Croatia in September. A peace offer to Naples of the province of Dalmatia ended their war, but two more still remained, against Spain (who refused all offers of peace. I saved all my gold to offer them more and more but they kept refusing. I was offering them 250 ducats at one point) and against the German states.

So many revolts would happen over the next few years that it is impossible to list them all. Every province of the Empire revolted, and more declarations of war kept coming in. Just when one war would appear to be over, someone else would declare war. Holstein, Poland again, Naples, the Ottoman Empire, and even Austria would join the fray (in January 1500). And all this time, the rebels kept appearing, endless hordes of angry peasants crying out for the blood of the king and the nobles who had led them down this dark path. In an attempt to alleviate the problem, the king decided to release some of Hungary's former conquests as vassals in 1498. Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, and Ragusa were all created as vassal states of Hungary, and a military alliance was hastily assembled, though little good it would do. The Hungarian amry fought bravely against both the invaders and the rebels, but could not replace their losses fast enough, as the treasury was being drained in peace offers. But sensing the end of Hungary, the enemies kept coming without mercy. Poland took Carpathia in a peace offer in July 1501, and Austria was bought off for 25,000 ducats.

Just when stability had been more or less restored (save the war exhaustion which had by now set in), the peasants approached the king with a petition for redress. The king, faced with the real possibility of a government collapse, had no choice but to accept it. The nobility and clergy of course did not like this (stablity -3 back to 0), and many of the army officers deserted, taking many of their troops with them. With not even enough troops left to repel the rebels and invaders, the king could do nothing but sit helplessly and pray that the rebels and invading armies would destroy each other in their mad rampages across the Hungarian countryside.

The end would come in 1503. Brandenburg declared war, and Hungary's new Balkan allies abandoned her. Siebenbergen took advantage of the opportunity and broke away from her master, declaring independence in January. The Ottoman Empire annexed Bulgaria and was marching on the capital. Rebel armies controlled most of the countryside. The Hungarian army was in disarray, and the treasury was emptied from the many peace offers. With her enemies closing and in rebels looting all of the cities, the government of Hungary finally collapsed on June 1, 1503. Terms for peace for made with their enemies, and the rebels were appeased, and the invading armies returned home. The king would be allowed to keep his throne, but from now on, all of his policy decisions would be regulated by a council of nobles and clergy (monarch ratings dropped to 2/2/2). All declarations of war would now be voted on by the council, which could at any time declare the king unfit to rule and have him deposed. Stripped of most of his royal powers, Ulászló II would spend the remainder of his days in his palace in shame, never recovering from the dark years of 1490-1503.

the dark years, part 1

the dark years, part 2

rebels rebels everywhere

after the madness
 

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Ko9s,

That was certainly some tough going you had there for a bit.

But thanks for posting it. I get the feeling that some AARs are discontinued when things start going badly, but I like to see what happens when things don't go so well. That's the best way I've learned things in this game, when I've done something stupid. And trust me, there have been plenty of times when I've done stupid things. ;)

So keep up with this AAR, it's great and I'm enjoying it immensely!
 

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Ko9s,

That was certainly some tough going you had there for a bit.

But thanks for posting it. I get the feeling that some AARs are discontinued when things start going badly, but I like to see what happens when things don't go so well. That's the best way I've learned things in this game, when I've done something stupid. And trust me, there have been plenty of times when I've done stupid things. ;)

So keep up with this AAR, it's great and I'm enjoying it immensely!

thanks. i appreciate the fact that people are reading it. since this is my first aar, and i'm not exactly the best player around, i wasn't sure how good it would be. but i've enjoyed playing the game and typing the reports, despite the setbacks. to be honest, i contemplated junking the game during the dark years, but now that i've got things more or less turned around, i want to see if i can bounce back.

next update probably won't be until tonight. i've almost caught up to where i am in the game now, so i need to play a few more decades today to get some more breathing room. i've fought a few more wars since the gov't collapse, but you'll have to read to find out how i did. :p
 

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All things considered, you didn't do quite as badly out of that as you could have (i.e. many more of your provinces could have been occupied by enemies at the time and you could have been left as a couple little teal smudges in a sea of white and green).

The very first AAR I wrote was actually a short report of a failed game as England...most unusual in a forum that was chock full of dashing successes. It got some very positive response, however, as people were interested to see just how bad things could get. In fact, I think it would be nice to read more "failed game" AARs since seeing how/why people lose is highly instructive too.

I think it's great that you posted these dissasterous years and didn't try to sugar-coat them...and I'm pretty sure that you can still recover from them and rebuild Hungary into a powerhouse if you're careful. I would definitely lay low until your badboy gets back to "slightly tarnished" or you'll spike off another war and that could be gruesome indeed. If you have to fight someone, take money or vassalization for now and then consider diplo-annexing them 50-60 years from now when things have cooled down.

The 1.05 patch has definitely made a major adjustment to badboy wars - how they are prosecuted and what kicks them off. Since instaling it I've learned to be very slow and methodical about my play in the first 150 years, making sure that I don't drop below "slightly tarnished" until I've become fairly large and have a fair number of vassals and a strong alliance.

At any rate, good luck...and don't hesitate to post those defeats as well as those victories. They're all part of the game. :)

BTW, since you're going to play the next couple decades and I know what's coming...have fun! Muahhahahahhahaha. :)
 

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mrT - well, i had one particular event happen to me last night, and i think you know what i'm talking about. you'll see what decision i made and why when i do my report, probably tonight.

btw, i've already fought 2 more wars with the ottomans and one war with poland since the gov't collapse in 1503, splitting with the ottomans (they took a province, i took it back later) and coming out on top vs. poland (taking money instead of land). my reputation is now down to "respectable" since i only declared war in one of those (against the ottomans) and only to take back a CB shield province that i lost.

all in all i think i came out alright. i lost one province to poland and the rest through independence movements. it could have been a lot worse, as most of the western provinces are austrian core territories, and could have defected. i might have only been left with two, maybe three provinces. but fortunately i only lost the one to poland and the others from vassalization/independence.

and btw, i remember your england AAR, the one where you wrote it based on LOTR. that's kind of what made me stick with this game even after the civil war and dark years.
 

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Sorry King Of Nines but I had to smile while reading about your BB wars. I usually play on the very hard setting so I've been in a few BB wars.:p You did alright holding Hungary together. I haven't played Hungary so I don't know what events are coming up but I'm sure I'll learn by reading your AAR. Good luck. ;)

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Sorry King Of Nines but I had to smile while reading about your BB wars. I usually play on the very hard setting so I've been in a few BB wars.:p You did alright holding Hungary together. I haven't played Hungary so I don't know what events are coming up but I'm sure I'll learn by reading your AAR. Good luck. ;)

Joe

in a funny way, it was kinda cool to see red and black-clad rebels all over the place. in those last desperate times, the rebels became sort of my home army, defending my provinces from the invaders. and towards the end i was actually hoping my gov't would fall so that everything would be reset.
 

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I was going to say, some of my worst rebel problems of the late 1490's and early 1500's caused more problems for my would be invaders, nothing like having the Austria hunker down on Serbia, which was a lost rebel city while I sneak around taking back Ruthenia. In the peace treaty, it reverts to me, as long as they deposed the rebels.

I have reviewed by history log. Perhaps you can refresh me, the event that really pissed me off took place in 1604, so you have a while to wait for that one. Can you refresh me on these items though.... are any of these the "execute the nobles problem you had"

Sep 1482 : Nobles Ally with Foreign Power (-2 Stab)
Jan 1484 : Accept Petition in Petition for Redress (-3 Stab)

as you can see I was knocked for 5 stability in one and a half years.

Again in 1506 I got the Accept Petition thing (-3 stab)

Then in 1519 I got a "reject the demands in Nobles demand Old rights.
 

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Also, in your narrative you have Matyas's son as Ulaszlo. I don't believe Matyas had a son which was a shame as he was considered a good ruler. He was effectively the last truly Hungarian King of Hungary. His family came to power from his Father Hunyadi Janos. Though Hunyadi Janos was never King, he was able to get the crown on his son's head. It was a short lived dynasty as the Jegelo's came back after Matyas's death

Ulaszlo II was a Jagelyo King from Lithuania. I found it ironic that you were atacked by them almost as soon as Ulaszlo went to the throne. Ulaszlo is the way Hungarian's say Vladislav. Hungarian is a vowel rich language and can't easily pronounce consonant crashes as found in Slavic names like Vladislav.

I think all the Kings from Ulaszlo I up to Lajos II were technically Jagelyo

the ly is like the Polish l with a line through it pronouced like a "w"

After 1526 when the Hungarians were wiped out, the rest of the "kings" are actaully princess of Transylvania. They never controlled Budapest or the West. They never sat on a throne.

As you will see in the game a guy name Mihai Viteazul becomes "King" of Hungary. He was actually Romanian and was considered the founder of Romanian nationalism. The Crown of St. Stephen was certainly never placed on his head. He would have actually been considered a traitor by most Hungarians, though very popular with the Romanians.

The actual Crown wielding King of Hungary after 1526 was Ferdinand of Austria. From then on it passed through the vibrant and fertile Hapsburgs until Monarchy was abolished at the end of World War I
 

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Man, KoN, that was just awesome. Not awesome in the fact that you got spanked, but for having the will to chronicle such a dramatic fall from grace. It made for an extremely gripping read.

I look forward to see how you rise from the ashes. :cool:
 

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madmagyar - thanks for the history lesson. :) i figured i had made some historical errors in typing my reports, but i thought i'd leave it up to my fellow EU'ers to correct them. before i started the report, i tried to find a chart showing the succession of the kings of hungary, but i was not able to find one, so i just wrote it in as the son of the previous king.

as for the event, nope, i'm nowhere near 1604, and i may not even make it that far if the current trend continues. i'm really struggling to come back right now. the turks are slowly biting off chunks of my territory. i'm trying to trade provinces for time right now, and hope to make a comeback later, but part of the problem is my ally austria isn't doing much to help. they'll send one army to fight one battle against the turks and then go back home, or they'll send no troops at all. my constant warring in the early game put my research at a slow pace, so now i'm lagging techonologically to the turks. they're like land tech 11 and i'm only at 7. so that's really hurting me right now. i need that improved CRT to have any chance of holding out.

anyway, the event i was talking about was the death of king lajos, and i went with the austrian succession. i'm now a vassal of austria, but at least i have them as an ally now, so that flank is secure for the time being. but if they want to keep their vassal, they better get on the ball big time.

random events: i've had a few of those "nobles demand old rights" and i got the "redress" on once, but those really didn't hurt me that bad. the one that hurt me twice was "nobles challenge king's authority to rule". the choices were either "step down" (-3 stability and -100 victory points) or "execute the traitors" (-5 stability, revolt risk +4 for 36 months, revolts in 2 random provinces). i wasn't going to take the victory point loss so i just rode out the rebel storm. only it looks as if they'll do me in after all, if the turks have their way. but i'm not going down without a fight....



LD - i'm afraid the rise from the ashes hasn't happened yet. i'm really getting kicked around by poland and turks right now, who have a nasty habit of double DOW'ing me. poland i can handle well enough, since their land tech is actually behind mine. the turks pose a real threat right now, as they're on the second CRT while i'm still on the lowest. i try to avoid their armies but then they siege my cities with cannon, which i just now got. plus, like i told madmagyar, my allies aren't doing jack crap right now to help me out. i sided with austria so they could hold off the turks and poles while i rebuilt my army and economy, but they're just watching me get spanked all over the balkan peninsula. but, this is still probably the best game i've played in terms of enjoyment. i'm getting my ass kicked and loving it. :D
 

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just a short update tonight, guys. that's all i had time to write, and i want to stay reasonably far ahead in the game from where i am in the report.