Mad, insane, sick and incompetent monarchs?

[Drakken]

With the new monarch system, I wonder how EU3 will simulate what I called in French forums the "Monarques étrons": Lousy, sickly and most of the time insane monarchs like Sultan Ibrahim or Pyotr II of Russia that pops up from time to time, the kind you desperately want to rid yourself of in CK.

I fear that monarchs will either have über-stats or low-to-normal stats, but none will really be totally unbearable. However, some monarchs were indeed unbearable. How will the mental and sometimes physical decay of a monarch's sanity will be represented?

Obviously, I think of events... but how? What will be tied to quirks and weird behaviors both in events AND in AI behavior?

D.

 

[unmerged(37697)]

I hope we do get really high and low end monarchs.

I want a Henry VI or Charles VI, as well an Elisabeth I or a Louis XIV.

I wonder how they will model 'random' stats...

 

[unmerged(11427)]

Most rulers should have average stats. Sort of like IQ curve.
But having mediocre rulers might be too boring for players. The system might be OK for AI, but for players I would suggest more of the extreme stats.

 

[Gezeder]

In Crusader Kings' I'd have to say some of the more memorable moments come from trying to cope with mad monarchs, watching your empire fall to pieces while wishing that &*$%& mongrel would just finally kick the bucket, or take care of business himself from his 20 long years of depression.

I'm sure the developers fondly remember the exact same experiences, -> they'd be mad not to put the same thing in EU3.

Mad. Gosh I'm funny.

Gezeder

 

[Registered]

In Crusader Kings' I'd have to say some of the more memorable moments come from trying to cope with mad monarchs, watching your empire fall to pieces while wishing that &*$%& mongrel would just finally kick the bucket, or take care of business himself from his 20 long years of depression.

Ah but in EUIII you could probably just send the blighter into battle armed with a potato peeler.

 

[EvilSanta]

There should be some random events to make your monarch worse. On the other hand, there also could be random events to make your monarch better.

 

[Registered]

There should be some random events to make your monarch worse. On the other hand, there also could be random events to make your monarch better.

Look at the gamelog in this screenshot.
And apperently we can now try to do something about monarchs going offf their rocker.

 

[EvilSanta]

I was talking about permanent changes but temporary insanity of monarch is such a classic it feels good that it is along.

 

[Sekenr]

Ah but in EUIII you could probably just send the blighter into battle armed with a potato peeler.

Exactly. I wonder is there is some mechanism, preventing you from sacking an unwanted monarch too easily.

 

[Registered]

Exactly. I wonder is there is some mechanism, preventing you from sacking an unwanted monarch too easily.

Well....

You will never know when your monarch dies, you will never know the quality of who will succeed him, nor what will happen when the monarch dies.

• You may get a normal monarch.
• You may get inherited by a more powerful country you have dynastic ties (not valid for player)
• You may get a regency council for a few years where you have your hands slightly tied (for example no offensive wars can be started)
• You may get into a union with a more prestigeful nation you have dynastic ties with.
• You may get a succession war fought over your throne.

Of course, the extreme options are very rare, and only valid if your government is a monarch type.

And of course the new monarch could be even worse.

 

[Havard]

Ah but in EUIII you could probably just send the blighter into battle armed with a potato peeler.

Having your monarch, Gods' Annointed Ruler of your country, die on a battlefield is rarely a positive experience for a country - see e.g. king Lajos of Hungary .

 

[joriandrake]

Having your monarch, Gods' Annointed Ruler of your country, die on a battlefield is rarely a positive experience for a country - see e.g. king Lajos of Hungary .

thanks that you remind me of that

 

[tretii_sleva]

I wish Paradox put some "monarch" events to make them better/worse.
However as long as I understood there won't be "historical" monarchs, therefore there won't be "historical monarch events" either. Thus, all we can hope for are random events.

 

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I wish Paradox put some "monarch" events to make them better/worse.
However as long as I understood there won't be "historical" monarchs, therefore there won't be "historical monarch events" either. Thus, all we can hope for are random events.

Either that, or determinist events which fire when certain circumstances are met.

Also, don't forget that we will still have historical advisors like Leonardo da Vinci, Cardinal Richelieu et al, who should (and probably will) boost stats in certain fields.

 

[unmerged(11600)]

Exactly. I wonder is there is some mechanism, preventing you from sacking an unwanted monarch too easily.

Sending them into battle (except with almost no army against a massive one) is no guarentee of getting them killed. And getting them killed/captured in battle should be (and in the board game is) a very bad thing. I would expect that suffering through a bad monarch's reign will be better than the alternative.

-Pat

 

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If kings can be killed, they should be able to be captured

Edward III had the King of Scots and the King of France at his court in London during the HYW, both held captive.

 

[KaiserChicken]

Also, don't forget that we will still have historical advisors like Leonardo da Vinci, Cardinal Richelieu et al, who should (and probably will) boost stats in certain fields.

Indeed, it's not hard to find historical situations where incompetent and stupid monarchs ruled over periods of extreme and stable prosperity, thanks to their trusted advisors.

 

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Indeed, it's not hard to find historical situations where incompetent and stupid monarchs ruled over periods of extreme and stable prosperity, thanks to their trusted advisors.

Indeed so, this chap did good by the five year-old Louis XIV

 

[KaiserChicken]

So did this one for Joseph I

 

[Skarion]

I hope they got some sort of way to create insane monarchs.

For example monarchs born in nations who are on top of the world or the poorest ones with a lousy economy are more likely to get insane/lousy monarchs, while mediocre warlike nations are more likely to get superb monarchs.