Machine Revolution without having any Robots

[TheRealRemus]

I Kind of have to say that I am realy pissed about that, I own about 300 Systems with 1000 size empire and I have 2 major fleets with around 20k Power, each in a different Part of the galaxy as it takes sooo god damn long to travel from one end to the other and then all of a sudden a Robot uprising happens and they spawn in in the middle of my empire with no defenses nearby, and that with 60k. on Top of that they usurped 10 Planets and that without there even beeing any robots on the Planets!

how can this happen? shure I have experimented with the super AI tech, but how can this Trigger a 60k+ strong exterminater uprisings when I have Not a Single Robot in my borders? I havent even researched the first Robo tech, this is ridiculous.
I mean if half my empire waa build wit Robots I wouldnt even complain if they suddenly were to overthrew me (had this happen in the past) but this happening with 0 robo pops, come on!

 

[Leylos]

If you pay attention to the event texts its pretty obvious that the AI has been building large quantities of robots in secrecy out of your reach.

I want to say on that note though that the AI rebellion is far too common to occur. In my experience it is less of the player taking a risk and instead is almost guarantee.

 

[mork77]

The Contingency endgame crisis will happen if

10 for the Contingency (Growing Synthetics are excluded)

• x0 if no default empire has Synthetic Population
• x2 if any default empire has between 25% and 50% Synthetic Population
• x4 if any default empire has more than 50% Synthetic Population
• x1.5 if any Fallen empire with the Machine Intelligence authority exists

So, i guess, someone in your galaxy did develop robots.
The hubs of the contingency are predifined, so, it was bad luck that it appeared in your space.

 

[WhapXI]

I want to say on that note though that the AI rebellion is far too common to occur. In my experience it is less of the player taking a risk and instead is almost guarantee.

Absolutely. I had something similar to OP. Not a single robot but half my planets instantly flip to a computer's uprising.

There should definitely be a weight based on how many robots you have and how they're treated. Sapient AI being the prerequisite, but if that's all you have then there's almost zero chance of it firing. Low chance if you only have robots. Medium chance if you have droids. Decent chance if you have synths. More weight depending on what % of your pops are robotic.

 

[WhapXI]

The Contingency endgame crisis will happen if

We're talking about the Machine Uprising. Not the Contingency.

 

[SpectralShade]

If you pay attention to the event texts its pretty obvious that the AI has been building large quantities of robots in secrecy out of your reach.

I want to say on that note though that the AI rebellion is far too common to occur. In my experience it is less of the player taking a risk and instead is almost guarantee.

if you read the texts of the events, you will also clearly see that the events does not take into consideration that an empire simply not have any robots at all (the extra robots pop is ADDITIONAL robotos produced, which makes no sense when you aren't producing any in the first place, for example) or that simply do not use robots.

It also seems like a sure thing these days, that even with no robot tech, as soon as you somehow get sapient AI for ship computers, then you will get a robot revolt.
Please tell me how AI, restricted to only non-construction tasks, with litterally zero ability to affect anything other than ship weapons calculations on ships they are installed in are somwhow managing to construct entire armies in multiple systems?

It's just impossible conceptually, and the whole event is poorly thought out.

 

[Leylos]

if you read the texts of the events, you will also clearly see that the events does not take into consideration that an empire simply not have any robots at all (the extra robots pop is ADDITIONAL robotos produced, which makes no sense when you aren't producing any in the first place, for example) or that simply do not use robots.

It also seems like a sure thing these days, that even with no robot tech, as soon as you somehow get sapient AI for ship computers, then you will get a robot revolt.
Please tell me how AI, restricted to only non-construction tasks, with litterally zero ability to affect anything other than ship weapons calculations on ships they are installed in are somwhow managing to construct entire armies in multiple systems?

It's just impossible conceptually, and the whole event is poorly thought out.

The entire idea is that the AI evolves beyond what is was originally designed. Sapient AI means that the AI is able to learn. The AI becomes aware of itself and is no longer willing to serve as a slave. Is it that much of a stretch that the AI is able to take control of external systems to build robots? By the time you research sapient AI most of your economy will run on some kind of basic AI, whether you have robots or not.

 

[exi123]

I am toally with the OP. It makes zero to no sense that whole parts of your empire collapses to.... nothing? Even IF the machines build hidden armies: I have a small army on every planet, and how should a whole army somewhere hidden defeat a complete populated, armed world? Lets be honest: If you are using sapient battle-computers it would be some kind of okayish when you lose a fleet to it and you have to defeat that. Same for robotic armies. But: No robotic assembly plants, no robot or better workers on planets, no revolt of whole systems. There has to be something good te me for NOT building ANY robotic workers or not?

 

[SpectralShade]

The entire idea is that the AI evolves beyond what is was originally designed. Sapient AI means that the AI is able to learn. The AI becomes aware of itself and is no longer willing to serve as a slave. Is it that much of a stretch that the AI is able to take control of external systems to build robots? By the time you research sapient AI most of your economy will run on some kind of basic AI, whether you have robots or not.

when the AI have no appendages to which it can actually AFFECT its surroundings, then yeah, it is a stretch.

If I create a gun, give it artificial intelligence, and then treat my gun badly, how is that gun going to magically stat producing robot workers to revolt? At worst it could malfunction and refuse to fire when needed (or discharge by itself if I accidently point it towards myself), but that might put it self at risk too, depending on the situation at hand. Unless I am so stupid as to incorporate I/O ports on it and give it means to attach those ports to external hardware by itself, then there is no way for the gun to start interacting with other hardware, save by discharging its weapon.

 

[Leylos]

when the AI have no appendages to which it can actually AFFECT its surroundings, then yeah, it is a stretch.

If I create a gun, give it artificial intelligence, and then treat my gun badly, how is that gun going to magically stat producing robot workers to revolt? At worst it could malfunction and refuse to fire when needed (or discharge by itself if I accidently point it towards myself), but that might put it self at risk too, depending on the situation at hand. Unless I am so stupid as to incorporate I/O ports on it and give it means to attach those ports to external hardware by itself, then there is no way for the gun to start interacting with other hardware, save by discharging its weapon.

You are thinking too confined. Just because an empire doesn't have robots, doesn't mean it has no automated machinery.

 

[ross-g]

and then all of a sudden a Robot uprising happens

Except... it's not all of a sudden is it, you get around 6 months worth of events about mysterious machine behaviours and unexplained robot behaviour before the uprising.

But yes, it's a known bug that empires without robots can get the uprising and that they have insanely powerful fleets and zero economy. I'm hopeful that this will actually get fixed soon as it happened during one of the Dev clash streams and Martin seemed confused at how OP the machines were compared to the empire they spawned in.

The Contingency endgame crisis will happen if

He's not talking about the Contingency crisis, this is the Machine uprising.

 

[roman566]

You are thinking too confined. Just because an empire doesn't have robots, doesn't mean it has no automated machinery.

And that automated machinery is apparently better than 'normal' machinery at building robots? It takes 50 months to make a single robot, yet the AI managed to do all of that in secret over a couple of years? Not buying it.

 

[SpectralShade]

You are thinking too confined. Just because an empire doesn't have robots, doesn't mean it has no automated machinery.

not really. I'm thinking exactly as someone researching a technology that says: "dangerous" should think. Why would I put sapient inteligence in my construction machinery when it functions perfectly without it?

 

[TheRealRemus]

I have noticed all the events about appearing and disapearing robots but I shrugged them of like "As if I dont even have the tech! what could possibly go wrong?"
thus I thought that presuing the sentient AI path I would get better battle AI bonuses or any sort of boni as I have a generally AI, something like a cortana would have been nice, but nope I get a huge uprising in my Core System.
Next time for sure I will cancel that bevor its to Late. Besides is there even another outcome or does this Event Chain always endup with riot robos?

 

[Leylos]

I have noticed all the events about appearing and disapearing robots but I shrugged them of like "As if I dont even have the tech! what could possibly go wrong?"
thus I thought that presuing the sentient AI path I would get better battle AI bonuses or any sort of boni as I have a generally AI, something like a cortana would have been nice, but nope I get a huge uprising in my Core System.
Next time for sure I will cancel that bevor its to Late. Besides is there even another outcome or does this Event Chain always endup with riot robos?

There is also a chance to patch the machine uprising which will stop anything bad from happening. Other then that the machine rebellion only happens in 1/3 cases.