Machiavelli III: From Dawn to Decadence

[Damocles]

Very good Session for Denmark! 82D monthly income reached, an increase with almost 50 Percent! 30 War ships were built and the Danish armada is soon comparable with the major naval nations.
Denmark did stay as a neutral country in the great northern war. And the Danish king hope's that other nations will respect that.

I can't believe you chose Brandenburg over Sweden though. You should be doing everything neccessary to keep my respect, not the other way around. Sweden might need to rein in the erstwhile Copenhagers.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Venice earned 150 ducats yearly from OE CoTs. That was only possibly thanks to the trade license. Otherwise Venice would have earned NOTHING from OE CoTs due to its bad trading capabilities. 150 ducats a year is 3000 ducats for the 20 year license Venice bought for 700 ducats. Now it took some time for Venice to get the number of traders up to the current but the enormous profit is there only thanks to the trade license. But it ends in 1687 and can be sold to someone else if Venice is so displeased with the arrangement.

England hopes Sublime Porte will see the light and lift the trade embargo against our merchants. We firmly believe in a free trade policy and will not be robbed under the excuse of some treading "licences". If in doubt what to do, ask your eastern neighbour Persia...

 

[unmerged(10146)]

What I find rediculous is why should Austria make it conditional that Sweden WP Brandenburg if Ottomans wish to fight him? It isn't the Ottomans fault that Sweden was forced to defend itself from the treachery or that Austria will seek to interfere in outer-HRE matters. As for the other...You made a peace with Poland, remaining at war with Austria. You owe him no obligation to WP him at all, since he did agree to join the war, unless it was presented as an alliance-wide white peace and you agreed to it knowing that.

Sweden, Russia and Ottomans against Poland in the same time was too much in my oppinion.

 

[devil]

Bad session for France...

* 5 event conversion in 3 in timbuktu, 1 in begho, 1 yorumba
I will need begho and yorumba converted back to pagan....

* gained 4-5 new colonies
* took 3 provs from kongo

* Took several stab hits, no thanks to hollland...
* Didn't fight one war in europe...
* Trade was a bit better.
* Reached Trade and Infra tech 6.

* Most important selected the wrong option in the Sun-Palace event...
I would be great if people would accept if I have that triggered.
cost will be: -1500d, -1 stab
gain will be: 1 lux manu paris, +3stab, 600 vp
And the right RP choise.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

European Economy in 1682

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Looking forward to French comments. Even von Ribentrop couldn't do much here :rofl: .

 

[Damocles]

Sweden, Russia and Ottomans against Poland in the same time was too much in my oppinion.

Hardly.

It was Sweden and Russia vs Poland, Austria and Brandenburg. If anything, it was balanced in the latter's favor.

All the Ottomans did was declare war and exact a quick province before peacing out without having sent a single army into Polish territory. And that was mostly because Poland had rattled his saber over Moldavia. So one can say that the Ottomans did more to hurt the Swedish-Russian effort, by making Poland doubly unwilling to give up provinces then if OE had minded its own business.

 

[Damocles]

England is suffering badly from inflation. It makes like 320d monthly, whereas Sweden barely makes 220d, yet Sweden is ahead because of its relative lack of inflation.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Bad session for France...

* 5 event conversion in 3 in timbuktu, 1 in begho, 1 yorumba
I will need begho and yorumba converted back to pagan....

* gained 4-5 new colonies
* took 3 provs from kongo

* Took several stab hits, no thanks to hollland...
* Didn't fight one war in europe...
* Trade was a bit better.
* Reached Trade and Infra tech 6.

* Most important selected the wrong option in the Sun-Palace event...
I would be great if people would accept if I have that triggered.
cost will be: -1500d, -1 stab
gain will be: 1 lux manu paris, +3stab, 600 vp
And the right RP choise.

POOOOOOOOOOR France!

All those nice events and she doesn't need them! And economy is inreally bad shape, as visible form the above numbers.

But I really don't know about Sun-Palace event, RP and Louis XIV... I mean "The Sun King" ??!! He is more like Stadtholders puppet, so why edit in something for his glory when there is no glory...

 

[ForzaA]

Hardly.

It was Sweden and Russia vs Poland, Austria and Brandenburg. If anything, it was balanced in the latter's favor.

excuse me?
Swedish support limit is what.. 200, 250k? Russia's probably 250-300k.. Polish: ~100-120k, Austrian: ~100-120k, brandenburger: 75-100k ?
making it AT BEST 450k vs. 340k, AT WORST 550k vs 275k, some balance....

 

[ForzaA]

What I find rediculous is why should Austria make it conditional that Sweden WP Brandenburg if Ottomans wish to fight him? It isn't the Ottomans fault that Sweden was forced to defend itself from the treachery or that Austria will seek to interfere in outer-HRE matters. As for the other...You made a peace with Poland, remaining at war with Austria. You owe him no obligation to WP him at all, since he did agree to join the war, unless it was presented as an alliance-wide white peace and you agreed to it knowing that.

The point was that the ottomans DoWed, we did not know demands.. they demand *only* ruthenia, to which we, obviously, agree.
Then the situation occured that the Ottomans were still at war with Austria (since Austria led the alliance, and peace was signed with Poland) while there were no more demands.
At this point the war is in theory over, and anything more would have to be because we both think "ah what the heck, lets fight", naturally I wouldn't want to be fighting the Ottomans while at the same time having to fight in the north.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

England is suffering badly from inflation. It makes like 320d monthly, whereas Sweden barely makes 220d, yet Sweden is ahead because of its relative lack of inflation.

Nevertheless, those are the numbers that count... England is trying to fight the inflation, as visible...

It is also visible the inflation would be about 5% lower without Holland and France "visiting" England over some non-existant TP on Taiwan .

 

[unmerged(21937)]

I am rather curious about that inflation peak at the end of Russian graph... Seems that somebody was minting a lot then. Czar is displeased.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

I am rather curious about that inflation peak at the end of Russian graph... Seems that somebody was minting a lot then. Czar is displeased.

That's a PEAK ?? :wacko: :rofl:

 

[devil]

Impressive stats, though sweden is catching up on france, damn swedish trade tech...

Sweden, France and Holland are very Rich...

England's greed, has hurt the nation a lot... Though Barnius is doing a nice job getting inflation down. considering only 1 deflation.

Porto has poor tech, and high inflation, Hive seems to have helped them, though trade is down, from losing mallaca.

Sweden, France and Holland I obviously leaders of the world.

 

[TheArchduke]

New save somewhere to dl?

 

[devil]

POOOOOOOOOOR France!

All those nice events and she doesn't need them! And economy is inreally bad shape, as visible form the above numbers.

But I really don't know about Sun-Palace event, RP and Louis XIV... I mean "The Sun King" ??!! He is more like Stadtholders puppet, so why edit in something for his glory when there is no glory...

Once again the I will point out France is the one deciding what has to happen, you are just pissed you missed out on great business, had you given me cash like holland did you would do much better, and have zero opposition... Fact is I do a hell of a lot diplomacy between sessions tp ensure french supremacy, and a game is won through diplomacy.

 

[Damocles]

Sweden has only received a single deflation event as well all game.

Its lowered inflation is entirely due to responsible spending and govenors.

 

[ForzaA]

Note: Austria agreed to fight OE if Sweden WP'd BBurg. Sweden refused but peaced Poland shortly after. NOW Austria didn't care about BBurg and WP'd Sweden. How does that add together ForzaA?

it looked like the Swedish defeat in Poznan (~80k dead) had crippled them sufficiently for BB to stand a good chance, furthermore, I had an ally and a friend to defend, at that time it looked the friend was less threatened than the ally.. and I had EXPECTED that BB would be able to carry the victory.. and I did fund BB from my meager income...

 

[Damocles]

The point was that the ottomans DoWed, we did not know demands.. they demand *only* ruthenia, to which we, obviously, agree.
Then the situation occured that the Ottomans were still at war with Austria (since Austria led the alliance, and peace was signed with Poland) while there were no more demands.
At this point the war is in theory over, and anything more would have to be because we both think "ah what the heck, lets fight", naturally I wouldn't want to be fighting the Ottomans while at the same time having to fight in the north.

Regardless, if the Ottomans wished to continue the war, he had no obligation to WP you at all for any reason, if he wanted to fight. This isn't a gentleman's polo match where we meticulously decide who wish to fight whenever it is conveniant.

 

[Damocles]

it looked like the Swedish defeat in Poznan (~80k dead) had crippled them sufficiently for BB to stand a good chance, furthermore, I had an ally and a friend to defend, at that time it looked the friend was less threatened than the ally.. and I had EXPECTED that BB would be able to carry the victory.. and I did fund BB from my meager income...

Not just 80k troops, which was around twice my total manpower allowed at the time (before my manpower event pushed it up a bit) but also all three of my best leaders. It was a crippling blow. I thought for sure I would win, since the allied morale was plummeting, then a split second later, I suddenly had half my army COMPLETELY annihilated, right when yours was about to break. I was quite flabbergasted.

Luckily, right afterwards, I got Amherst or something, who was like a 4 4 4. With a mere 29k Swedish troops and a bunch of mercenaries which I had to hastily recruit, the Brandenburgian cavalry legions were defeated in the swamplands and rivers, and it was still very close several times.