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Barnius said:
Well, it looks like again England has to suggest the right thing to do, Holland will never step out and make it herself: as with a TP in SIberia, England suggests Holland to cede Sardinia (ID=397) to Venice. And since Venice is Dutch ally (in crime, but still :D), Holland should also add the expenses for missionaries to return the province again to Catholic religion.
this is utter nonsence since sardinia is allready owned by venice :)
 

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Barnius said:
Who ever mentioned Sardinia? It's Corsica!

As soon as England leaves Eire.;)
 

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Even if Venice claims Corsica I seriously haven't the faintest clue why Holland should have it transfered to Venice? We had no such discussion and this is something I have heard nothing about? I'm really confused here...
 

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well the english have a vivid imagination, they also believe corsica is sardinia, goes to show english maps are not worth anything, since they all english are surely drunk :)
 

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Does anyone has something particularly against Dakota set as independent nation?

If not, I would like it. If there ever is USA, let them deal with natives...

The province in question are Duluth, Mesabi, Minnesota and Iowa (IDs 75, 76, 77, 78). I suppose copying the Dakota country from the earlier save and removing those provinces from English part of the save should be enough.
 

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Barnius said:
Does anyone has something particularly against Dakota set as independent nation?

If not, I would like it. If there ever is USA, let them deal with natives...

The province in question are Duluth, Mesabi, Minnesota and Iowa (IDs 75, 76, 77, 78). I suppose copying the Dakota country from the earlier save and removing those provinces from English part of the save should be enough.
I agree it should be done, since it will cost france and england a lot of colonies when we create the US. Then we just need to find a player for them :D
 

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European Economy in 1661


M3-1661-income-table.jpg


M3-1661-income-graph.jpg


No need to comment anything, everything is clear :(.
 

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~Treaty Of Roussillon~

§1
Spain renounces all claims on French soil, and secede the province of Roussillon to France

§2
France accept this as a peace treaty between Spain and France, and declares no French soldier will cross the border in europe, as long Spain is a friend of the Bourbons.

Signed:

Louis XIV, King of France
Felipe IV, King of Spain


-----------------------------------------------------------
Forzaa: prov ID is (426).
 
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As always nice stats barns, :)

Impressive session last time for England, Holland, France, OE, Venice and not to forget Austria with a amazing 44 percent!!!! :cool:

From Holland to OE are getting a lot richer than the rest of the world. Spains decline is beginning to show clearly.

England and Porto is obviously trying to reach spanish heights of inflation :D

EDIT: Regarding the USA issue Drake is willling to take USA when they spawn. It will probaly be around 1770.
 
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It is always good impartial observer to comment the facts. But it is even better when a "positivelly" subjective one can't but realise the facts :rofl: .

Indeed, France noticed it correctly, her most loyal ally (in crime) Holland is filthy rich, as is French trusted friend Ottomans "The Embargoer".

It is also true Spain is weak and poor. And as such, it is not strange France cornered her and forced her to cede Roussillion without the fight. Not that there weren't a lot of discussions throughout the Europe how to help Spain, but France and Holland are at this stage simply unbeatable. I mean, look at France: third economical power in the world! And this is not even a clear picture, because I should somehow include those diabolic trading licences!

With Spain falling under French domination, we face a block of French military power, Dutch brains and strategic leadership as well as naval power, Venetian naval and land power as well as opportunism in genes, and now Spanish gold.
 

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Now Barnius the the you are a impartial observer is a day we will never see :rofl:

France has no partners in crime, since france don't commit crimes. A know fact :)

I like the name Ottomans "The Embargoer". Though fact this should be Ottomans "The wise".

France never corned spain, spain wanted friendship with france, and several options where discussed. Spain had several options, and he choose which he though best for spain, I actually don't agree with his decision but that is just me :)
 

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devil said:
Now Barnius the the you are a impartial observer is a day we will never see :rofl:

France never corned spain, spain wanted friendship with france, and several options where discussed. Spain had several options, and he choose which he though best for spain, I actually don't agree with his decision but that is just me :)

Not only impartial observer, but also fairly good in predicting the future, as we can see from yesterdays discussion and todays Treaty of Roussillon:

devil said:
Maybe you (Spain) could come online ICQ also

Barnius said:
Yes. France has a message saying something like "Hand over a province or two without fight and we will not attack you... in the next 4 months..."
 

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Barnius said:
Not only impartial observer, but also fairly good in predicting the future, as we can see from yesterdays discussion and todays Treaty of Roussillon:
hahah no, all I wanted was to hear what spains decision was, Spain aproached France. :)
 

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England is learning from those powers selling trading licences...

English prime quality propaganda, lack of it and anti-propaganda is on sale!

Examples (and more than just that - free propaganda included in examples of propaganda :D):
  • NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA: negative focus on a particular country, like France paying English Propaganda Office to focus on Holland and thus make France look less evil (discounts possible for those particular countries included)
  • POSITIVE PROPAGANDA: positive focus on a particular country, like France paying English Propaganda Office to try to do something to sway the public oppinion to see France more like innocent puppy (no success guaranteed and a special fee required because of a danger our distinguish Office could lose a credibility and future market :D)
  • LACK OF PROPAGANDA, like Holland paying (an incredible ammount of money that would make even her go bancrupt) English Propaganda Office to close both eyes and both ears and above all neglect the rotten stench spreading from where the Dutch set their feets
  • ANTI-PROPAGANDA: well, there should first be some propaganda (besides our own, obwiously :D) to challenge

General tarrifs are simple and subject to all sorts of negotiations (but strictly independent from the English foreign policy, naturally): 250 d for a year of work per a project.