Machiavelli III: From Dawn to Decadence

[ForzaA]

Yes, But lets get on with it tuesday is allready aproaching And it would be nice to start diplomacy, I would love to talk with the new Spain

Damo, Forzaa... Could you give a summary on what we need, and what the new plan is?

EDIT: Ohhh And did you talk to tonio, damo? or should I?

I'll handle any editing needs (anything needed at this time??)
I posted a list of players.. from which we can conclude that we miss ONE player spot, and 2 are not entirely clear who they'll play

 

[ForzaA]

So, what players/countries do we still have?

Barnius-England
Juv- Venice
Robertus-Portugal
Devil-France
Aldo-Ottoman Empire
Khal-Brandenburg
Damocles-Sweden
Forzaa-Austria
Archduke-Holland (rumours?)
Mulliman-Russia (where'd he go?)
fredrik- Denmark
Byakhiam-

free countries(Byakhiam has first choice):
Poland
Spain
(Russia?)

ok,ok, so we may be missing 3 at worst, 2 likely

 

[ForzaA]

Damo, you still haven't responded to my ICQ's of like 3 days ago...

 

[ForzaA]

Current roster

Barnius-England
Juv- Venice
Robertus-Portugal
Devil-France
Aldo-Ottoman Empire
Khal-Brandenburg
Damocles-Sweden
Forzaa-Austria
Archduke-Holland
fredrik- Denmark
Byakhiam- ??

free countries(Byakhiam has first choice):
Poland
Spain
Russia

anyone have any suggestions who could be playing?

 

[ForzaA]

Colonial Warfare

The goal of colonial warfare is a more dynamic colonial scene, with nascent colonial powers getting a chance at securing decent colonies, rather than the "early" colonisers (Spain, Portugal mainly) getting it all. It is also meant to give smaller countries a chance at securing colonies from a bigger european power (Ofcourse, it might anger the bigger power so much he later declares a "normal" war)
Following the following rules, I hope, will provide us with a decent sence of colonial warfare (Discussion encouraged, untill monday evening CET, then it WILL be finalised)


1. Any ally can be called into the conflict (code allies, so max. 2 human players on one side)
2. The attacker declares the region he intends to fight over. (No changing, so if you wish to call upon allies, discuss it with them prior to declaring)
3. The defender may choose a second region in which to fight, no limitations, except Europe, ofcourse.(If he is content with the one region, thats OK too)
4. Other parties MAY declare their own separate (colonial) wars against the ones in conflict, but I would advice against this. (That is to say, you won't get kicked for doing it, but it won't earn you credit)

 

[ForzaA]

Byakhiam will be playing Russia, meaning POLAND and SPAIN are still free.

 

[ForzaA]

Cambion will sub Poland (if needed)

 

[ForzaA]

aight, new version of the save is available here

changes:
-oyo returned to pagan religion
-Jakarta treaty
-Huron treaty

those who it concerns, please check this

 

[ForzaA]

who will play spain today?

It looks like twoflower will be taking over Poland as a perm, meaning we possibly have both Cambion AND Jarkko available to sub Spain.

 

[ForzaA]

A very relevant question...

When is session start time? 20.00, 20.15 or 20.30 today?

When do we cancel the campaign/session when/if enough players can't be found? I suggest after 15 minutes with the motivation that what can't be fixed during the week shouldn't/can't be fixed during playing time.

My suggestion is we all show up 20.00 and we all leave, in my case permanently, at 20.15 if we haven't started by then, ok? No hard feelings but either we play or we don't.

EDIT: I sent requests to some 30 EU2 players on my ICQ list regarding Spain.

well, as I said, in theory we have TWO subs ready (Jarkko and Cambion) and only one open country, so we should be good.(that is, assuming noone decide to leave without telling me)

I suggest we start gathering at around 19.45CET, so that we have, in theory, 15 minutes BEFORE the game starts, to gather everyone. if it's 20.15CET and we still don't have enough, and don't have people on the way to join, then we make the decission to play or not. If we miss a not-too-fighting country, that country can be made offlimits. but 2 would be the absolute maximum.

 

[ForzaA]

latest version (not downloadable yet)

-Silesia from Poland to Austria

and then a version both WITH and WITHOUT:
- Poland removed from Swedish alliance May need to be dissolved entirely, as it is now SWE and PRU, a Polish vasal
-Poland gets a CB on Sweden until {year = 1668 month = april day = 10} (date not researched)

 

[ForzaA]

The treaty of Breslau​

After years of bitter enmity, King Zygmunt the third and Archduke and Emperor Rudolf the second, have put aside their differences, and have united in the face of the combined threat of the Heretics in the north and west and the Heathens in the south and east.
Let the world know that they have agreed on the following matters.

Firstly,
As a sign of good will, Poland will return authority over Breslau and its surroundings, the German lands west of the Oder river, to Austria.​

Secondly,
Austria will accept the authority of the Commonwealth over Ungvár and its surroundings, the mountainious region that is the southern defense of the Polish plain against the Heathens.​

Thirdly,
both Austia and the Commonwealth pledge to fight for the one true religion, Catholicism.​

Fourthly,
seeing the results of enmity, Austria and the Commonwealth both pledge that in the event that an issue rises, everything will be done to preserve the peace between the two nations​

Hereby signed,

Rudolf the second,
Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire,
Archduke of Austria,
King of Bohemia,
King of Hungary.

Zygmunt the third,
King of Poland,
King of Lithuania,
King of Ruthenia,
rightful king of Sweden.

 

[ForzaA]

Silesia.. that several wars have been fought over

one 2week campaign or so...

 

[ForzaA]

ok, looks like we are going with the "a" version then, with Poland still allied, and no CB.

I must say, though, that if it had been brought up before the game, I would probably have supported the idea for a CB.

 

[ForzaA]

I don't think you should get a 100 year CB either. If its not implemented via the event...Tough luck :/.

like the Austrian cores pre-patch in the event of Spanish succession war

 

[ForzaA]

Maybe Forzaa needs to set his firewall and router to whatever?

Router I don't have, firewall is out (or, it's supposed to be )

 

[ForzaA]

, has to go moslem-tech,

it gets even better

OE gets to be china-tech (they were one techgroup behind Europe-orthodox tech-, and by event that should become 2 )

 

[ForzaA]

The Pasha says: Welcome. Austrians invading the Ottoman soil were beaten to pulp, and only because the Pasha felt generous weren't Austria made pay dearly her intrusion into Ottoman soil.
(Note that the comment of the Sultan may be different, but the Pasha gives official replies until the Sultan is fit and able again.)
In the meantime Holland and Sweden continue to roll in money. *Big time*

LOL the ottomans declared war, the ottomans were losing badly until I dropped without you(everyone) knowing it...

at the moment I dropped I had 20-30k troops in your territory fighting mere hundreds of turks, with no other Turks in sight
and more troops were sieging or on watch in home territory.

 

[ForzaA]

:rofl:

To set the matters straight:

-Lala Mahmud never dropped below 5k. At lowest it had some 500 infantry and 4500 cavalry. I don't know where you got the idea of "few hundreds", but it sure hasn't to do anything with the situation!

-The 12k Austrians (with 9k cavary) valiantly marched into a trap. Lala Mahmud was reinforced by 25k infantry, and the mountains were the Austrians were marching were taken only days earlier by newly recruited 30k infantry supported with 30 artillery and 3k cavalry. Charging up the mountains the Austrians were killed.

VERY ODD, I saw Lala Mahmud in Maros with "1" armysize, retreating on Transylvania, with my troops already there, besieging, and no other troops AT ALL in the region. then the fight started.. and I crashed.
Imagine my surprise when i saw 20k ottomans RETREATING from Maros when we rehosted.
SOMETHING was very much screwed there.. and it probably explains why I crashed.. as I were then at that point fighting an army according to the host, but not according to me.

 

[ForzaA]

Sounds like Forzaa was also suffering from lag if he didn't see my armies moving in. Devil went drunkhappy with the speed he can host

I DEMAND reparations