Machiavelli III: From Dawn to Decadence

[ForzaA]

I think everyone has angry memories of the big white blob

I think I'm requesting an EDIT

make Austria Yellow or something...

 

[ForzaA]

Updated the Edits/deals post, forzaa has accepted the OE-HAB deal.

UPDATE:: I arranged for Frederik to also be there to sub tonight. This way I sure we can run, I right now I am testing a dsl connection that I can possibly use to get online and join the game, remember 19.50 COTN

I had long accepted that (and said so to HG.. never noticed he was missing o )

 

[ForzaA]

We tried one-on-one colonial wars in MachII for a single session. It was a complete travesty. Whyever have you introduced it again in MachIII??

HG had no allies? I dunno..

 

[ForzaA]

me GM? I dunno about that, but if that seems to be the general consensus I will do my best.

But discussions about rules could be a bit less hotheaded during gameplay...

 

[ForzaA]

Well, Damo interpreted my statement not exactly as intended but I think and hope that he'll be a good GM.

 

[ForzaA]

Excuse me for breaking in, but

simply force me to use this ":rofl:" for the first time ever.

So here I go:
:rofl:

you know, it DOES usually settle itself, along with a swedish garrison in someone's capital

 

[ForzaA]

I need Oye converted to french culture, since I converted via the event.

hmm.. I don't think that would be fair...

If I have less than 5% inflation at the time of an exceptional year I won't get the extra deflation later on do I?

as far as I can see this works as designed..

EDIT: My new PC is now finally stable
I don't know how good my connection is in terms of stability, but if needed I could try hosting.

 

[ForzaA]

It would help however, if everyone made it a point to ask the most reliable person they know on ICQ, if they wish to take over a very strong Spain or Poland.

poor Peter :rofl:

Utwente connex should do fine

That I study there, doesn't mean I live on the campus, in other words, yes it should, but I don't have it

 

[ForzaA]

Well, since we have a rule about changing culture of over 5000 citizens colonies after 30 years, I would have nothing against that small change for France.
Or indeed return the province culture to pagan and gove France half the money for this particular conversion.

Culture will change in all human-made colonies after nationalism disappears

according to the rules, NOT "culture in all non-european provinces will change"


I'm not (much) against this particular edit, BUT it sets an unwelcome precedent that every event that gives a bonus which is not as good as it could be (+2 when you are at +2/3, -5 inflation when you have 4%) would warrant an edit.

 

[ForzaA]

I had some thoughts about it too... Here are some issues that are clear to me:
1) Official in-game (code) allies can fully cooperate in a colonial war.
2) Generally a third party can declare her own colonial war against a country already in one colonial war. But that should be an exception, and after some talks about the matter, to enable the party already at war to settle things diplomatically if possible. All this because...
3) The goal is to have the war arena limited. A battlefield in a colonial war are seas (all of them) and land region agreed upon DOW.

Now some things that are still unclear to me:
1) Attacker declares a region he is interested in, like for example Spain did against England in the last colonial war: North American continent.
2) Can attacked country than widen the region? I suppose yes, because otherwyse she could only deffend and not expect to winn anything. Like England declared Caribbean to be addition to North America in the last war against Spain. But Caribbean are NEXT TO North America. Can attacked party also chose a more far away region, like for example Spanish Phillipines in the above example (if Spain owned them)?
3) Let's suppose Spain called Portugal as ally. Do called allies also have right to add their own preferred regions? Like for example Portugal add Caribbean although England chose to leave it out. Or even further, Portugal in the above example add English Indian Ocean islands. Or do we say called allies only fight in areas primary parties defined and they can get land there if they wish, or just help their allies for some othwer compensation?

sounds about right, or atleast, what I had in mind

 

[ForzaA]

I downloaded the save, anticipating that I *might* be the one hosting (hopefully my connection can handle it)

1. any edits pending?
2. we found a "real" host yet?
3. do we have enough players?

 

[ForzaA]

3. It causes the problems with the rules since iirc. Oye has 0 nationialism.We have a change culture rule in colonies
Which is fine just give me a good reason..

1. It was NOT a colony, only an out-of-europe city AFAICS
2. Are my reasons not good or do you just not read them?

 

[ForzaA]

Edits done:
- Merchant fix, one Manchu merchant removed
- Austrian fleet -> Venice [named Austrian Squadron, moved to Venice from Istria.. check this Juv]
- Russia cent +1, Kouban remains russian provided that for the rest of Georgia the NEW vasalisation date is kept as the startdate (in other words, I'm too lazy )
-Oye/Oyo(?) NOT edited in any way, since I don't know what needs to be done

 

[ForzaA]

Save with the edits as posted above:
here
(RAR format)

 

[ForzaA]

I had some thoughts about it too... Here are some issues that are clear to me:
1) Official in-game (code) allies can fully cooperate in a colonial war.
2) Generally a third party can declare her own colonial war against a country already in one colonial war. But that should be an exception, and after some talks about the matter, to enable the party already at war to settle things diplomatically if possible. All this because...
3) The goal is to have the war arena limited. A battlefield in a colonial war are seas (all of them) and land region agreed upon DOW.

Now some things that are still unclear to me:
1) Attacker declares a region he is interested in, like for example Spain did against England in the last colonial war: North American continent.
2) Can attacked country than widen the region? I suppose yes, because otherwyse she could only deffend and not expect to winn anything. Like England declared Caribbean to be addition to North America in the last war against Spain. But Caribbean are NEXT TO North America. Can attacked party also chose a more far away region, like for example Spanish Phillipines in the above example (if Spain owned them)?both can set one region, regardless of distance
3) Let's suppose Spain called Portugal as ally. Do called allies also have right to add their own preferred regions? Each SIDE gets to determine ONE region, so discuss rewards before going in

RED colored is my version, and I propose we go with it as we have no alternative

 

[ForzaA]

Regarding the cancelled session...

Who is surprised? There is not enough commitment to organize this during the weeks and edits, finding subs should not be done during the first half hour of the session. I say if someone doesn't show up without cancelling let that nation be played with AI and take the consequences rather than punishing the rest of the people that show up in time. If we can't find enough committed players I see little reason to continue.

EDITS: rahter in that half hour than not at all.. all the "regular" editors out, noone did them.. so I decided to do that...
SUBS: should be arranged earlier I agree, but then we ALSO need to know who IS there, for all you or I know someone might have a power out.. he can hardly anticipate that, but I doubt everyone can/ will be online on ICQ 30 mins before session to check who's missing.
no sub/AI: the problem is that it does not only affect the nation itself, but it "radiates" chaos outward (allies, people who had coop plans.. people who need that country to keep someone else on guard etc.)

but yes, this was a VERY bad show but I'm glad some of you DID make it, and that includes subs

 

[ForzaA]

The current save:
here, RAR format

edits done since last session:
-Kouban from Russia to Georgia
-Austrian fleet deal (5 ships from Austria, 10 ships to Venice [includes the 5 forgotten last time] 100 ducats from Venice, to Austria)
-Merchant mess fixed (I think)

Edits NOT done:
- any deals that may have been discussed.
- Culture OR religion change for that French city...ruling/discussion pending

 

[ForzaA]

PROPOSAL:

any RULING by a GM (Me and Damocles, right?) will be made in RED colouring
any PROPOSED rule change (By anyone) that people think needs discussion will be made Orange colouring



So, what players/countries do we still have?

Barnius-England
Juv- Venice
Robertus-Portugal
Devil-France
Aldo-Ottoman Empire
Khal-Brandenburg
Damocles-Sweden
Forzaa-Austria
Archduke-Holland (rumours?)
Mulliman-Russia (where'd he go?)
fredrik- (?)

missing a player for 2 out of

Poland
Denmark
Spain,
Depending on which one Fredrik wants.

Byakhiam may take one of the others.

So we miss AT LEAST one player, perhaps more

 

[ForzaA]

Well, the file is not quite OK:

The part related to Kouban:

city = {
name = "Pyatigorsk"
population = 10093.289
location = 468
fortress = { level = 1.000 }
}

has to be moved from Georgian section to Russian.

err.. according to MY inteligence, thats Kouban..

I suppose I forgot to move the owned/controlled part :/

thats what you get for discovering moments before that the edits haven't been done

EDIT: now it SHOULD be good

and to be found:

here

 

[ForzaA]

As for US players not being able to GM for European players...Dude. The game starts at 11 AM my time. Thats plenty of fucking time.

I *think* what he means that this DOES make communication a tad more difficult, as you will generally be available for discussion at times we are either asleep or at work, and vice versa.