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Barnius said:
I find your constant lectures to people what they should do annoying. .

Whatever I am not allowed to have an opnion on the matter? You find it irritating cause its the truth... I allways played with open cards very unlike you. Only greed for more drives you forward. It is no secret you are the worst ally one can get, you don't help when the shit hits the fan, nor do give any monetary aid. Compared to you, I must have given away 1000x times more ducats, just to maintain balance in this game. Why would I do that, because I play, so others can enjoy the game, instead of me breaking it 100 years ago. Right now I find it very unfortunate I have to maul forzaa, but that is my mission, that is what endgame is all about, hence I will do it.

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Canada was and is free to do whatever she pleases. "USA" was free to offer Canada whatever she desired. So was France. But try accomplishing something yourself, instead of uselessly trying to organise over and over again some sorts of mega-alliances with giving away French land as a bribe. It will fail. As it failed many times. You can't expect to dispatch MANY countries as pawns in your chess game, hiding safely behind. .

Do I expect that? Spain and Porto joined me at their own free will, and whatever damage you give them I relay on austria/prussia. I told you this a thousand times, your greed is what kills the germans in the end. Don't kid yourself or any other...

If people are having fun with revolting then let them, who are you are you to decide, what they RP wise can do or can not do?

Once and for all understand I had nothing to do with others revolting, that I like it is one thing, that it help me is another, but I didn't help them revolt.

Now regarding endgame, there is not supposed to be balance in the end game, don't fucking cry just because I am a better diplomat than you and I manage to convince people to my cause.

Now you mauled, porto holland and usa without breaking a sweat. France and England are the same size evils. You are the terror of the seas, france is the terror on land. Whoever side people decide to join, its who they view as the lesser of 2 evils.

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English policy towards Canada was always clear: we started with the offer to continue friendly relations we shared with Denmark and treated Canada as an equal ally in all discussions that concerned Canada even a bit. OUr policy doesn't change with the winds. It takes a lot England to become hostile to someone. So even if Canada now leaves English alliance, it would not mean not much, as long as England is not attacked..
Yes somehow you don't support french released USA, but canada hey that is allright... really get over yourself.

Your mission with canada was to give him enough cash to keep him from taking his land, as long you keep him happy, NA is safe as USA can't win. My design of canada was clearly for him to develop then fight to take control of all canada.

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English policy in general is: we oppose "USA" and France. We support Austria and Prussia as French enemies. Unless not attacked by them, we hold other countries more or less as neutral.

Really you are full of shit. You oppose France and USA, cause France is allmighty on the continent to keep balance. You hid behind france the first 100 years, then you changed sides in seconds, and began whining because I allied new formed holland a loyal and helpful ally. Very unlike you, that betrayed france over and over again. Had you played your cards right, you would be the one France had stayed with and holland would never be what they are today. So why did I ally porto, a nation waaay behind holland in everyway, one reason to boost rob and let him have some fun too. There was no tactical advantage in helping porto, like spain they where a very easy target.

90% of what you say is bullshit, very unlike you I am playing with open cards... And I don't play you get rich, I play to fulfill my mission. There is no doubt about,what I want and what I will do.
 
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Barnius said:
Well, you really can't blame Dutch for the distinct feeling they could be the next facing exactly the same "choices" :eek:
The dutch have my word they are not to be harmed, unless they break my trust, I won't break my word.
 

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devil said:
Only greed for more drives you forward. It is no secret you are the worst ally one can get, you don't help when the shit hits the fan, nor do give any monetary aid.

True with the first sentence, but with one addition: I am generally not the one who starts wars. Like with Portugal or Holland. It was not a secret England desired the control of India, but this was not a secret for over 200 years :rolleyes: . Despite that, the relations of Portugal and England were good for both parties. Untill Portugal attacked us. Twice. The same is with Holland. They attacked with France. We retaliated, with somewhat harsh terms, offered better relations, they retalliated back and took Malacca and we accepted it as finally balanced situation and a base for better relations. But they attacked again...
About your second statement, let others be my judges. The only thing I will say is Mach III England basically used her allies very, very little. This was the campaign in which I relyed on the diplomacy the least so far. We will see how this will end. Quite possible with England vassal of France.

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Why would I do that, because I play, so others can enjoy the game. Right now I find it very unfortunate I have to maul forzaa, but that is my mission, that is what endgame is all about, hence I will do it.

That you said a number of times, but nothng happened except France hiding behind others or other goals :rolleyes: . It's a game. You are not maulimg ForzaA but trying to vassalise Austria. Or someone else. Opened kards indeed :rofl: .

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Spain and Porto joined me at their own free will, and whatever damage you give them I relay on austria/prussia. I told you this a thousand times, your greed is what kills the germans in the end. Don't kid yourself or any other...

Well, as I said, Mach III is where I am trying playing without too much plotting with others. Naturally, because I can. Mach II with Portugal, naturally, was quite different. There money was the main strangth I had.
But never was I mistaken for one who liked giving away something for nothing :rolleyes: . As for Germans, they got a clear message: English main enemy is France, not Sweden...
But really, do try elaborating a bit more on this concept of "relaying"... Did I got it right? Unlike greedy England driven only by her own ambitions and no-good ally, holly France is completely different: instead of protecting her vassal, she is achieving her own goals on the expense of that particular vassal :rofl: .

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If people are having fun with revolting then let them, who are you are you to decide, what they RP wise can do or can not do?

Once and for all understand I had nothing to do with others revolting, that I like it is one thing, that it help me is another, but I didn't help them revolt.

Now regarding endgame, there is not supposed to be balance in the end game, don't fucking cry just because I am a better diplomat than you and I manage to convince people to my cause.

Fair enough. I admit I choose a bit different way of playing in Mach III. I appologise for telling you how you should or should not play.

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Now you mauled, porto holland and usa without breaking a sweat. France and England are the same size evils. You are the terror of the seas, france is the terror on land. Whoever side people decide to join, its who they view as the lesser of 2 evils.

Oh, it was with MUCH sweat, and it is far form beeing over :eek: . But again, I have to point out it is England and Canada who are attacked here.In fact, it is Canada who is attacked. How the fact that England is fighting in this war proves any of your remarks about England as ally or England as greedy aggressor?
And I would like to point out England lost 8 American colonies, Tierra del Fuego and Malacca in the 3 former aggressions of more or less the same group of countries: "USA", Holland and Portugal. The fourth war, in which "USA" was alone against Canada and England, ended without signifficant gains. This one is the first one in which forces of good :rolleyes: could end up victorious. Here is a lesson to learn: you can lose in wars. It's not a tragedy. Prepare better for the next time. Be patient, the enemy will make a mistake sooner or later. Like Holland and Portugal did. A SERIES of serious mistakes, that marked the outcome of this war. But still, even with those mistakes, it was with much os sweat for England.
Not to mention France and the new revolutionary regimes in Europe, who could easily join France and combined geater a fleet of over 800 warships :eek: .

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Yes somehow you don't support french released USA, but canada hey that is allright... really get over yourself.

Your mission with canada was to give him enough cash to keep him from taking his land, as long you keep him happy, NA is safe as USA can't win. My design of canada was clearly for him to develop then fight to take control of all canada.

Well, "USA" is releassed by France, the main enemy of England and with a purposse to destroy England. While Canada was created in a rather peaceful partition of Denmark, who was almost constantly a freindly nation. As far as I saw it, this Friendly nation sold her Caribbean colonies to England and releassed Canada as a free nation. And England guaranteed the independence of that new nation, created by a friendly nation, ever since. Pretty consistant if you ask me. And with absolutely FREE HANDS for Canada to decide what to do in every moment.
You know perfectly well "USA" or English NA colonies are not worth fighting for. The easiest way out would be to sell it or get rid of them somehow. But that will not happen. England is not givng land. We need more :rofl: .
We hope to help Canada to take enough from "USA", because clearly, after this session, prolonging the lease of 6 English NA colonies is not possible any more.

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Really you are full of shit. You oppose France and USA, cause France is allmighty on the continent to keep balance. You hid behind france the first 100 years, then you changed sides in seconds, and began whining because I allied new formed holland a loyal and helpful ally. Very unlike you, that betrayed france over and over again. Had you played your cards right, you would be the one France had stayed with and holland would never be what they are today. So why did I ally porto, a nation waaay behind holland in everyway, one reason to boost rob and let him have some fun too. There was no tactical advantage in helping porto, like spain they where a very easy target.

90% of what you say is bullshit, very unlike you I am playing with open cards... And I don't play you get rich, I play to fulfill my mission. There is no doubt about,what I want and what I will do.

Well, there is one of the features that haven't changed in my style of playing EU2 and it's never ally the strongest power. That's why England reffused to help France with her plan to acquire Genoa, gaining thus a base in Mediterranean (Corsica). THAT is the reason you switched to Holland.
Portugal I don't know. Many things I don't know - you are definitelly not clear or trustworthy enough for me things to be clear :rolleyes: . As it should be, because we are the enemies.
 

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You are the terror of the seas, france is the terror on land. Whoever side people decide to join, its who they view as the lesser of 2 evils.

more like I'm *supposed* to be fighting nappy :(
I know full well that I don't stand a chance AND that a friendly France would open up a LOT of opportunities.

Other than that, I completely agree.
 

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ForzaA said:
more like I'm *supposed* to be fighting nappy :(
I know full well that I don't stand a chance AND that a friendly France would open up a LOT of opportunities.

Other than that, I completely agree.

If someone's choice is simple than it's Austrian, for England really is no threat to Austria, who has no coastal provinces. The conclusion: France is the only evil :rolleyes: .
 

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If someone's choice is simple than it's Austrian, for England really is no threat to Austria, who has no coastal provinces. The conclusion: France is the only evil :rolleyes: .

Someone with Nappy is evil because he will rule the land.

Someone with Nelson is evil because he will rule the seas.
 

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Well, someone that apparently rules the seas will stop "beeing evil" in 5 years :)

*Schemes a grand invasion of England* :p.

Nah, just kidding i'm done with the english adventures.
 

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If someone's choice is simple than it's Austrian, for England really is no threat to Austria, who has no coastal provinces. The conclusion: France is the only evil :rolleyes: .

*scratches head*

because my choice would obviously be France, France is the only evil?
 

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ForzaA said:
*scratches head*

because my choice would obviously be France, France is the only evil?

Well, England here is clearly the lesser evil, in fact not evil at all... But I could understand Austria picking greater evil, in fact the only evil, just to avoid evil to do evil things to her... Or something like that :rolleyes: :wacko:
 

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Well, England here is clearly the lesser evil, in fact not evil at all... But I could understand Austria picking greater evil, in fact the only evil, just to avoid evil to do evil things to her... Or something like that :rolleyes: :wacko:

Russia, Prussia, Austria, Ottomans Should unite.

Or Revolutionists should war eachother too; otherwise it would be really silly.
 

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Russia, Prussia, Austria, Ottomans Should unite.

Or Revolutionists should war eachother too; otherwise it would be really silly.

Well, as England, Holland should argue she also is a revolutionary society and for a long time :rolleyes:
We are all alike, no reason to attack us just because you are unstable annarchies :rofl:
 

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Well, as England, Holland should argue she also is a revolutionary society and for a long time :rolleyes:

Yes; but most neutral; as she is a monarchy and plutocrat at the same time.

We are also not as involved in europe; as our country is consistant of 3 major blocks (all relatively equal; compared to English Colonies; who are really "colonies"): Netherlands, South east asia, West Coast.
 

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Barnius said:
Well, as England, Holland should argue she also is a revolutionary society and for a long time :rolleyes:
We are all alike, no reason to attack us just because you are unstable annarchies :rofl:

We are the only Stable countries England.

As the rest is only "just new" or will be overwhelmed by the "revolution".
 

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Adam Breit said:
Yes; but most neutral; as she is a monarchy and plutocrat at the same time.

We are also not as involved in europe; as our country is consistant of 3 major blocks (all relatively equal; compared to English Colonies; who are really "colonies"): Netherlands, South east asia, West Coast.

Well, England consists of five relativelly equal territorial entities, in the order of importance: European islands, India, Caribbean, West Africa, America.