Machiavelli III: From Dawn to Decadence

[unmerged(10146)]

Well, we were only repeatting what we were told by France. "Gold" is her word, "at mercy of France" is her word.

We only publicly announced it and warned you to act. But if you prefer to trust France or whomever, that is not our business... Would you prefere we remained silent about the whole issue in the first place?

OOC: It's not a diplomacy even, but since it started this way... It's really more a matter of edits, as clear from the following OOC reasonong:

Well, it depends...
According to France, it was in a province with a gold mine, meaining it was in a sort of the BEST place, as it was the ONLY province not accessable from seas or bordering other countries...

 

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And regarding French silly accusations, we can only say unlike them, we believe we are talking to intelligent people that will see the difference between von Deviltrop's ways and Barnusian arguments based on facts.

 

[devil]

~The Bourbons accend to the throne of Portugal~​

Because of English aggression world wide, and a endless stream of threaths from the greedy English against the merchant nation of Portugal. The Portugese has asked for a Bourbon to take the throne. Hence Portugal is now a member of the Bourbon family.

The French-Spanish Empire will do everything in its power defend Portugal against the greedy English. Therefore a permanent force of 70k frenchmen will be stationed in India. Should the English still persue their wild dreams, France will step in and punish them for their crimes.

Portugese Navy sinking greedy evil English Raiders​

Let this be a warning England, we will not tolerate your aggression in India. We recommend that England gives freedom to the all the opressed americans.

 

[Adam B.]

Netherlands Declares FULL neutrality in a French-English conflict.

The protection of the Indies is now in Portugese and French hands ...

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Haven't I told you what is to be expected? Now Bourbons already control one of Dutch CB provinces... Will perhaps Portugal receive the order from Paris to cede that particular province to France?

 

[devil]

Haven't I told you what is to be expected? Now Bourbons already control one of Dutch CB provinces... Will perhaps Portugal receive the order from Paris to cede that particular province to France?

Of course my brother in Portugal may do as he pleases

Also Dutch and American Independance is guranteed by the French-Spanish Empire.

 

[Adam B.]

I must stay with my demand of another CB prov; For the reasons on the other page. .

SA was Portugese; Indonezia Dutch; Do I smell coincidence or devilish planning ?

 

[devil]

I must stay with my demand of another CB prov; For the reasons on the other page. .

SA was Portugese; Indonezia Dutch; Do I smell coincidence or devilish planning ?

you will get another cb, I never said you wouldn't barnius did

 

[unmerged(10146)]

~The Bourbons accend to the throne of Portugal~​

...
The French-Spanish Empire will do everything in its power defend Portugal against the greedy English. Therefore a permanent force of 70k frenchmen will be stationed in India...

...Let this be a warning England, we will not tolerate your aggression in India. We recommend that England gives freedom to the all the opressed americans...

French TALK about British threat, but noone is stupid not to SEE what France is already DOING. Stationing their endless armies all around the world is a TRUE threat to ALL. Is Dutch Indinesia really safe from 70.000 mad French soldiers shipped around by French 200 warship navy and protected by even large Portuguese one?

It is France who endangers not only Europe now, but the whole world! Soon we will see French soldiers in "USA" I suppose...

English policy is clear: we oppose this ungodly alliance, this French hegemony over the free world. We are puzzled by the fact that Portugal chose to disapear from the face of the earth just because of a threat to lose some colonies.

OOC:
Such large coalitions were not exactly encouraged, on the contrary, even weaker concentrations of only naval power have been banned before. However, England will remain unallied, as she was during most of the game, with the exception of the allaince with Spain, but we never used it, not even when faced with the aggression of Portugal, "USA" and Holland. Portugal and "USA" now openly protected by France. Which should tell you everything....

My only hope is should the wars appear it will be on a bit more local base and on more equal terms, not France and Portugal and "USA" and Spain togeather or jumping in as soon as it looks like England could be winning .

Also, perhaps others will wake up and see the light... see what is their future if they don't act...

 

[unmerged(10146)]

you will get another cb, I never said you wouldn't barnius did

One could also say if Barnius haven't raised the issue, it would remain as it is now... And naturally, I raised it just to give you opportunity to argue/demmand it to be moved...

 

[Adam B.]

One could also say if Barnius haven't raised the issue, it would remain as it is now... And naturally, I raised it just to give you opportunity to argue/demmand it to be moved...

Both are right in their own way .

Tnx anyway

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Also Dutch and American Independance is guranteed by the French-Spanish Empire.

I wouldn't accept Devil's guarantee for anything, for you know what commes later: he will demmand your soul

 

[Adam B.]

Also Dutch and American Independance is guranteed by the French-Spanish Empire.

The Dutch Agree to the Guarantee; but strongly oppose vassalization.

Offcourse money to the French one or 2 times a 5 years for the protection can be done.



The Dutch also advise the USA to not attack the English during agression; even if so, the Dutch will only support moneytaraly.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

The Dutch Agree to the Guarantee; but strongly oppose vassalization.

Offcourse money to the French one or 2 times for the protection can be done.



The Dutch also advise the USA to not attack the English during agression; even if so, the Dutch will only support moneytaraly.

Support whom?

 

[Adam B.]

Support whom?

The American.

For they are our allies still.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

The American.

For they are our allies still.

Ah, finally we hear some sense from Amsterdam... We wonder if there could be more of that...

 

[unmerged(10146)]

So, the current situation is:

1) Spain French vassal
2) Portugal French vassal
3) Holland paying tribute to French Mafia for "protection"

Who is next?

 

[Fredrik82]

The Dutch also advise the USA to not attack the English during agression; even if so, the Dutch will only support moneytaraly.

The Dutch advise is noted, though, the President will act when it's in the interest of the united states...

 

[Adam B.]

So, the current situation is:

1) Spain French vassal
2) Portugal French vassal
3) Holland paying tribute to French Mafia for "protection"

Who is next?

The Situation is:

England (NAP from the Dutch, if attacked by the bourbons)
*Canada

France (Protects the Dutch-USA alliance)
*Spain (Vassal)
*Portugal (Vassal)

Netherlands (Pays Small Tribute to the French.)
*USA (Honourable Ally of the Dutch; Recieves money of the Dutch)

Prussia (Recieves money from the Dutch)

Venice (Recieves Bribe from the Dutch)

Austria (Protects the Prussians)

Sweden
*Poland (Honourable ally of the Swedish)

Ottomans

 

[unmerged(10146)]

The Dutch advise is noted, though, the President will act when it's in the interest of the united states...

The Situation is:

England

France
*Spain
*Portugal

Netherlands
*USA

Is it really?