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Check your own countries to make sure I haven't forgotten something/fucked something up. You know how I am.
Changes:
Global
-All Latin to Orthodox; All Orthodox to Muslim; All Muslim to China
Portugal
-Home fleet reduced to 30 warships (total is 48)
-Garrisons in Malacca and Gao increased to 10,000 infantry to compensate (this puts her over her support limit)
Spain
-Home fleet reduced to 20 warships
-Jamaica, Tortuga and Puerto Rico removed
-Trinidad and Baharona increased to eight hundred
-Havana and Moron increased to six hundred
Russia
-Ruthenian and Mongol removed
-Trade reduced to 2.75
Denmark
-Twenty warships converted to galleys
-Treasury cut to seven hundred and fifty
England
-Reduced to twenty-five warships
-Manpower cut to slightly higher than pre-1.11 levels (still debating this-Barnius, we need to talk over ways of boosting it over the course of the game without creating an imbalance)
Ottoman Empire
-Med fleet warships deleted
-Arabian fleet reduced to five warships and fifteen galleys
Venice
-Corfu, Crete and Cyprus increased to medium
-Twenty warships deleted
-Treasury cut to five hundred
Sweden
-Ten warships converted to galleys
Check your own countries to make sure I haven't forgotten something/fucked something up. You know how I am.
Changes:
Global
-All Latin to Orthodox; All Orthodox to Muslim; All Muslim to China
Portugal
-Home fleet reduced to 30 warships (total is 48)
-Garrisons in Malacca and Gao increased to 10,000 infantry to compensate (this puts her over her support limit)
Spain
-Home fleet reduced to 20 warships
-Jamaica, Tortuga and Puerto Rico removed
-Trinidad and Baharona increased to eight hundred
-Havana and Moron increased to six hundred
Russia
-Ruthenian and Mongol removed
-Trade reduced to 2.75
Denmark
-Twenty warships converted to galleys
-Treasury cut to seven hundred and fifty
England
-Reduced to twenty-five warships
-Manpower cut to slightly higher than pre-1.11 levels (still debating this-Barnius, we need to talk over ways of boosting it over the course of the game without creating an imbalance)
Ottoman Empire
-Med fleet warships deleted
-Arabian fleet reduced to five warships and fifteen galleys
Venice
-Corfu, Crete and Cyprus increased to medium
-Twenty warships deleted
-Treasury cut to five hundred
Sweden
-Ten warships converted to galleys
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HolisticGod said:
After I raised all sorts of basically irrelevant issues about it, our good GM allowed me to go public with it, and if enough support is geathered...
The current "Caribbean rule" means no colonisation at all, not even TPs. I suggested TPs could be allowed. Basically just maps to look better, but also to keep this new COT alive. And to have SOME competition in Caribbean, if only for TPs...
The only drawback I see is natives on those islands are likely to be hurt... But that would happen arround 1620 anyway I suppose.
HolisticGod said:
I don't agree at all with this rule, If anything in reloaded showed yesterday denmark need something to stay ahead, I had overtaken them in sweden before 1550.... If this rule has to stay I propose income cut in all of sweden to half of what it is now.
I must agree with the Denmark vs Sweden balance issue. Denmark is a lot weaker than Sweden in the original campaign. The suggested modifications aren't large enough to deserve a downscaling IF they are intended to rectify this imbalance. If the are for some other reason I have no objections.
Oh, and from now no one will have to tale unpleasant force loans from the game engine since Venice offers much more favorable ones.
Oh, and from now no one will have to tale unpleasant force loans from the game engine since Venice offers much more favorable ones.
I haven't actually noticed this downscaling, but I'm not surprised that I cannot keep up with all edits and proposed edits.
As I presume we will use the new beta (yes it is out since only 11 minutes!) isn't increased tech costs by 15 per cent + all nations in new tech groups a tad too much? I have little experience from this but it seems a litle drastic.
I hope you haven't done all the editing yet, HG.
OE not having slavonic but still kurdish has obviously been changed recently. I can't say I mind because I have no real perception how it should be but could PE or HG briefly explain why this is the best.
I hope you haven't done all the editing yet, HG.
OE not having slavonic but still kurdish has obviously been changed recently. I can't say I mind because I have no real perception how it should be but could PE or HG briefly explain why this is the best.
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Aldo said:As I presume we will use the new beta (yes it is out since only 15 minutes!) isn't increased tech costs by 15 per cent + all nations in new tech groups a tad too much? I have little experience from this but it seems a litle drastic.
I hope you haven't done all the editing yet.
OE not having slavonic but still kurdish has obviously been changed recently. I can't say I mind because I have no real perception how it should be but could PE or HG briefly explain why this is the best.
Of course we will use the new beta patch
devil said:Of course we will use the new beta patch
AFAIK, it is one of THE traditions of Machiavelli to use the latest betas available, besides there a quiet a few changes that are in line with the ones we have been toying around with for Mach III.
Apart from those ones there are some that might need some counterbalancing from our (especially from HGs side):
1. the land connection between Sjealand and Jutland (and Skane) which I believe gives a siginificant advantage to Sweden, as it will have an easier job to achieve a major victory by taking Copenhagen. (One idea that comes to mind would be to strenghten the Danish fleet and its supply limit by even more, thus they could eventually block the straights).
2. Flanders changing to French culture is something I do not particularly like either, as this will certainly make it impossible for the Dutch player to make even a fair shot at keeping it. (There should be an option to change it back to Dutch at a later point, should the Netherlands conquer it back, once it is conquered by France (which will surely happen very soon))
3. BB got a welcomed boost by the additional culture changes, I very much look forward to see these benefits :rofl:
4. There is a vague indication upon the Spanish succession event, thus I need to take a carefull examination of that.
ok, my 2 cents
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I really cannot understand why this straight was put there, armies couldn't cross, you really needed a fleet.
- Increased technology costs by 15%
- Morale damage given depends on morale of the troops. ie, should make it possible to have battles decided upon good morale as well as troopsize.
- Shipyard restriction is now on base-tax, not current tax.
- Building a conscript center now takes 2 years instead of one year.
- Implemented straitscode, allowing a nation with a fleet to block passage across for enemy armies.
- Crossing a strait gives a bigger penalty than just crossing a river.
- Added back the strait connection between Jutland and Sjaelland.
- Added in a strait connection between Skåne and Sjaelland.
- Inserted the values from Asian Manpower mod into the province database.
- You will now see which county competed your merchant out of a CoT.
SOOOO nice changes. This will give denmark a chance to use their navy
- Morale damage given depends on morale of the troops. ie, should make it possible to have battles decided upon good morale as well as troopsize.
- Shipyard restriction is now on base-tax, not current tax.
- Building a conscript center now takes 2 years instead of one year.
- Implemented straitscode, allowing a nation with a fleet to block passage across for enemy armies.
- Crossing a strait gives a bigger penalty than just crossing a river.
- Added back the strait connection between Jutland and Sjaelland.
- Added in a strait connection between Skåne and Sjaelland.
- Inserted the values from Asian Manpower mod into the province database.
- You will now see which county competed your merchant out of a CoT.
SOOOO nice changes. This will give denmark a chance to use their navy
- "Royal Letter of Bohemia" now opens a CoT either in Prague or Vienna.
Will make Venice COT less valuable but it decreases the need for Austria to conquer Venice. I like it even outside the perspective of playing Venice.
Will make Venice COT less valuable but it decreases the need for Austria to conquer Venice. I like it even outside the perspective of playing Venice.
Denmark no longer get a tax penalty for no land connection with Jylland and Skane, always something..
well.. i suppose that 15% techcost increase SHOULD be enough to go back to "normal" techgroups...
and the Wartaxing-shipyard building is out
and.. and...
goodie!
and the Wartaxing-shipyard building is out
and.. and...
goodie!
And the blockade ability is very nice. And even if no navy present, a hit if attacking across a straightNorrefeldt said:
but not much better of a fleet than for the Hellas-Ionia-Smyrna, ie. confiscating local fishing ships gets you far.. though I agree it's one of the most controversial changes.Norrefeldt said:
Attila the Hun said:
Flanders only changes to French with the crown of france event, so if they have conquered Paris. Highly unlikely, I think.