Machiavelli III: From Dawn to Decadence

[ForzaA]

Lets just delete him along with nelson and wellington, and call it fair.

add davout and you got a deal

 

[ForzaA]

close to, but not quite the truth eh Devil

you've been training with Barni perhaps?

 

[ForzaA]

Just a suggestion: remove ALL leaders after say 1780... then we can atleast have some fun without the standard napoleontic overrun and/or gangbang.

(semi-serious suggestion)

 

[ForzaA]

tiny little puppy

hmm.. what was Nappy's nick again...

I'm sure it's something fairly similar to both tiny and little :rofl:

 

[ForzaA]

but I am against removing the leaders now.

well.. it was worth a try

 

[ForzaA]

On leaders: Mach II Portugal, with even less leaders than nowadays Portugal somehow managed .

Seriously, I think removing all the leaders now, wothout player adjusting their strategies for that event, would be too much.
Could we instead after the next session (perhaps even for this one?) add a leader or two to certain countreis that lack historical ones?

What I aimed for is preventing the STANDARD endgame war (ie. France vs. everyone, or France rolls over everyone separately), that is not solved by adding one or two leaders.

 

[ForzaA]

so this is a fake loan *creating* 5008 ducats?

 

[ForzaA]

~ Habsburg rule in Spain overthrown ~

It is a sad day to see that rebellious elements in the Spanish Government, no doubt funded directly from Paris, have managed to formally remove their queen from the throne and instead install a French puppet monarch.
Furthermore, it saddens us to see that the French king has turned to such means to fulfill his megalomaniacal ambitions. We trust in God that he shall see the French King, or his descendants be repaid in kind for these low deeds, upsetting the natural order of the world. *

As it seems apparent that only in Austria the Habsburg line is still in power, it is up to Austria to protect the ancestral lands of house Habsburg. **

~ Bavaria ~

~ The heritage of Maximilian Joseph of Wittelsbach ~​

It is sad to see that a house as honourable and as old as the house of Wittelsbach is on the verge of dying out. Sadly, the Elector Maximilian Joseph has no direct heirs, and it is unlikely that he will yet be rewarded with a son in his old age. ***
Seeing that the house Habsburg of Austria has long been a valuable ally to the house Wittelsbach, and that the house Habsburg also has the most recent claims to Bavarian lands after house Wittelsbach, the Elector has willed that after his death, the lands of the house Wittelsbach will be part of the lands of house Habsburg. ****

~ Union of the Empire~

In light of recent events, the Emperor proposes to king Friedrich II a formal declaration, encompassing a full alliance and renewing the treaty of friendship between our two nations.





* Who knows, I may be referring to a gruesome death at the hand of the "people"
** the Cores that would have been granted with the "Bourbon" choice in the Spanish succession. See separate post.
*** Lacking further info, I'm assuming he dies of old age in 1777, and not of a sudden ilness or accident.
**** There's an event for the Bavarian succession war in 1777, and seeing that Bavaria has been a vassal for 80 years, and an ally even longer, it doesn't really make sense to fight for it. Thus, in discussion with Devil, it has been decided that a diploannexation within the HRE by a catholic state will be allowed this time. Furthermore, cores for the provinces will be added to Austria. for cores, see separate post.

 

[ForzaA]

OOC:

cores added on the following provinces, as if the Spanish choice was "Bourbon" in the succession event.
377 Luxembourg
378 Brabant
380 Flandern
389 Lombardia
390 Mantua

Also, in light of the future incorporation of Bavaria (as discussed way back with Devil) cores on the following provinces:
348 Ansbach
349 Bayern

 

[ForzaA]

Polish issue:

as the choice made by a half-hour sub.. and that noone seems available to *confirm* the B choice for Poland, I suggest (after discussion with Devil, as usual ) the following edit:

Polish Ari -2, cent +2, merc -2, serf -2 (and stab -1, doubtfull) to reverse the B choice.
THEN trigger event #3499 from the console (for Poland) Russian, Prussian and Austrian events are then automatic, and can be added to the history afterwards:
3337
3440
3533
(the Polish event is already in the history, afterall)

 

[ForzaA]

As far as I know, level 3 forts proved to be weak against armies and leaders even in 1770es. Should we allow level 4 (large) forts at regular prices?

I don't really see that being helpfull really, sure they can be taken *fairly* easy, but retaken aswell...

 

[ForzaA]

[nitpick]
Russia must take the "A" option in the Creation of the Patriarchate.

now where did Russia pick up greek culture?

[/nitpick]

I DEMAND o that Russia be severely punished, and the GM as well for allowing such a blatant abuse of the rules.
suggested penalty: Russia +10% inflation, France +100% inflation :rofl:





[in case the smilies are not enough, this is a horrible attempt at a joke ]

 

[ForzaA]

13) Polish issue:

as the choice made by a half-hour sub.. and that noone seems available to *confirm* the B choice for Poland, I suggest (after discussion with Devil, as usual ) the following edit:

Polish Ari -2, cent +2, merc -2, serf -2 (and stab -1, doubtfull) to reverse the B choice.
THEN trigger event #3499 from the console (for Poland) Russian, Prussian and Austrian events are then automatic, and can be added to the history afterwards:
3337
3440

and #3533 aswell

 

[ForzaA]

Date : 11-5-2004 Time : 14:48
From : devil FRA
it not like I plan to fight austria this session

Date : 11-5-2004 Time : 14:48
From : devil FRA
I won't move until nappy comes around

Date : 11-5-2004 Time : 14:49
From : devil FRA
of course you may plot to dow me, but that the way it is, I am playing with open cards

 

[ForzaA]

And because of my open cards you allied prussia, which I was going to dow.

yeah right..

I allied Prussia because it was the only country around NOT yet vasalised (and because they were mostly de-facto allies already, as you should/could have known).

And even when I had allied Prussia, or atleast made very clear, you DENIED you were going to attack me.

Further

a) no demands were stated untill all our armies were killed
b) you dowed the wrong country and had MA in Prussia the whole war. (it is NOT the responsibility of the attacked to check that the original attacker has MA)
c) according to the end-stats of last session, French and Swedish income combined was more than Austrian,Prussian and English together (and that would have assumed ALL English income used to fund Austria-Prussia)
ALSO, swedish MP is almost equal (could be slightly higher or lower) to that of Austria, taking those two out of the equatian, leaving FRENCH MP (300?) vs PRUSSIAN MP (100?).
d) you KNEW I was going to diploannex Bavaria as we discussed that, but prevented it from happening by getting them into war.

 

[ForzaA]

Yes didn't feel like giving you time to arrange a big counter offensive. And I was pissed at barnius.

... I wasn't even planning to plan a counteroffensive, as I stood no chance anyway.

and next time when you're pissed at Barnius sink HIS fleet , kill HIS troops...

It's not like I'm his vasal or anything close to that.

I stated I wanted prussia as vassals, then sweden took the capital... and that plan was out the window.

that I must've missed then.

But when venice did the same on me, joining your alliance and invading, using MA, it was allright and nobody could see anything wrong with it... But when I do it hell is loose!

one big difference: at least ONE attacker had no MA, and thus COULD DoW.. a month warning can mean A LOT.

I expected the pathetic english to intervene, but guess all their talk was for nothing, hence my 300k troops in NA had nothing to do.

meaning that even WITH English intervention (who were at war IIRC) you would still have had the advantage..

That aint even close to it, I dowed after talks with sweden, dowing bavaria was random could have been anyone in your alliance. In hindsight it should have been prussia. You wouldn't be able to annex bavaria while fighting me anyway. Unless you where planning not to answer alliance call.

what I mean is that it is incredibly frustrating to see that a nation that I was going to annex lose his HUGE army in like one second, just because I could not annex them before getting dragged into that war.
(Bohemian inheritance can happen during war, and gives you the immediate benefit of their troops, while this one, that was VERY similar, could not)

 

[ForzaA]

Can you recruit mercs on Iceland? If so, i buy it

not if your capital is not in Europe IIRC.

 

[ForzaA]

True, true, but since it appears Sweden illegaly occupies it, it is a really risky investment .

name = "June 28, 1770 : Sweden declared war upon Denmark." -- not really in style (given that Sweden-Denmark were longtime allies), but not forbidden.

name = "May 25, 1771 : Denmark accepted peace with Sweden on the following terms : Jylland to Sweden. Denmark will "
name = "become a vassal."

In 1773, Denmark is a three province country consisting of Eiriksfjord, Iceland and Sjaelland
(Denmark got attacked by Quebec, Prussia and Sweden)

untill now, all legal.

THIS:
name = "May 9, 1786 : Sweden annexed Denmark."

is completely illegal however. (only 15 years instead of the 100 years proscribed by the rules)

 

[ForzaA]

correct, christ I lagged so much I didn't even notice it.

few did

 

[ForzaA]

right.. France and Sweden have about equal TOTAL income compared to Prussia, England and Austria combined, even now "poor" France has lost trade (advantage of a whopping 53 ducats yearly for PEA. disposable income is even in their favour by 176 ducats. EVEN NOW.

How many countries did you -think- would join against you to make it fair? Even with England counted in full (with crappy morale, costier troops not accounted for, anyway) the advantage is slighly yours.