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devil said:
pathetic women

since you have just insulted half of my populace that has not yet ever served in the army, may I request an edit: doubling the MP of all my provinces :D





and besides, if she would have really been pathetic, why would you need to start a 'defensive' war?


and also: it's FRANCE that sarted the war-talk, NOT Austria, NOT England, so clearly, it is just French slander to portray the peaceful English and Austrians as warmongers or evildoers.
 

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devil said:
Before next session (1741):
France release USA.
Capital in Savannah.
MP boost in capital.
Starting cash added.
add french culture,
Reformed religion instead of protestant.
Cede all french land from the mis. river to the coast.
Cot in NA moved to USA capital Savannah.
England -2 inno, +2 cent
3047,3048,4980 and 4981 added to history.

After next session (approx. 1760)
RR 18 is added to the 10 English coastal provs.
3049,4990 and 4982 added to history
England +1 cent, -1 inno, +1 artiso, +100vp and +1 stab

Frankly, I don't see why a French-released USA would have anglosaxon aswell (and also, I don't see a reason why France would suddenly release a country and AT THE SAME TIME refuses other nations their right to self governance (ie. interfere in what is, in essence a strictly internal affair for Austria and the HRE) )


Sure, I'd LOVE a USA, but a French-vasal USA is BAD (imo even worse than just France, there)
 

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devil said:
you seem to have forgotten you are prussia, hence king of prussia not a hre elector. if you are a hre elector I will convert you back to brandenburg, and remove you leaders and kings...

He is king IN Prussia, AND HRE elector.
Besides, why would he not support Austria/the Emperor if he is "just" king of Prussia and not elector?
 

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devil said:
he is king of prussia :) so says the event. Why the hell would he then change from bb to prussia as long its the same... correct me if am I wrong but in history bb became prussia so that friedrich could become king of prussia.

no, he became king IN Prussia, as I have said before...

and where the hell did you get your "information" that Austria intended to invade Bavaria?
 

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devil said:
sorry I was just sure he choose to become king of prussia so he didnt have to be elector prince. Hence the event also says stay elector prince or become king of prussia, I will check my history books but I still pretty sure bb choose to become prussia, so they didn't have to stay as elector prince, to distance themselves from the Emperor. Just sounds funny he is prince and king at the same time, especially considering the event.

What I read is that he (IRL) didn't want to piss off Austria (and the rest of the HRE) by pretending to be king IN the HRE, thus no king OF prussia, but IN prussia.
 

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In 1688, Frederick William I, the "Great Elector", died and his possessions passed to his son Frederick III (1688-1701) who became Frederick I of Prussia (1701-1713). With the exception of Prussia proper, all of Brandenburg's lands were a part of the Holy Roman Empire, by this time under the all but hereditary nominal rule of the House of Habsburg. Since there was only one King of the Germans within the Empire, Frederick gained the assent of the Emperor Leopold I (in return for alliance against France) to his adoption (January 1701) of the title of "King in Prussia", based on his non-Imperial territories, and the title came into general acceptance with the Treaty of Utrecht (1713).
(Emphasis mine)


just a FYI, in this game, it was largely the same deal.

Also, and this will, IMHO, become important with 1750 closeby.. wasn't it agreed that the Dutch and Portuguese should get 2 resp. 1 core outside mainland Europe (since their European possessions are relatively easily taken, yet this doesn' mean they are really defeated)
 

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devil said:
I haven't done any edits, than usa testing, so no. :)

EDIT: did he post something wrong?

not that I know, just that you quoted it differently than I read it (probably due to him editing the post)
 

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Barnius said:
A shocking news from one of the voodoo rituals held recently on English Haiti

Apparently a great threat is arising in France, a general capable to subdue all the Europe! The only good news is he should be born on Corsica, so the answer is simple, although perhaps a bit drastic: either Venice takes the responsibility to kill all the infants named Napoleon or she can sell Corsica to England and we will relocate all the families naming their sons Napoleon to St. Helena island, a perfect place for little lunatics with such ambitions :D

one word: meta-game thinking :D

and while you're at it, figure out a way to get rid of Davout, aswell ;)
 

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Barnius said:
Wellington you can, he is not an admiral, so not useful at all :D

Maybe he could serve in the Austrian Army? :D

[rant]
and looking at the save how it is now, I don't think that USA *makes sense*, I mean, why would they get Anglosaxon culture? Cores on the North-East coast? (and not on some of their own territories, or the French cultured ones to the west?)[/rant]
 

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devil said:
France is the true light of the world we fight with honor for noble means,

[sarcasm]
*nods*

like fighting AGAINST women for nothing more than territorial greed[/sarcasm]
 

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Adam Breit said:
As a token of good faith in France; netherlands will pay france 5000 ducats, over time and the provs agreed upon by portugal will be ceded to the portugese via edit. Also, the stadholder will stand by the french in a conflict if they wish too; but vassalization is out of the question.

Spain: I saved 4000 ducats; but used it to fund the war ... :wacko:. so I will pay you in the session, takes about 2 years with 300 D month - maintnance.

*scratches head*

hmm.. nice calling everyone in and then bailing out :s
 

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a short statement from my viewpoint:

Firstly ,a demand of 20,000 ducats was *somewhat* frightening from my PoV, as that equals the recruitment of TWO MILLION Austrian Infantrymen.. it is also equal to TWO HUNDRED months of minting for Austria. So, to me, it didn't look like "just 20,000 ducats"

Secondly, I saw 250,000 Dutch getting MAULED by 80k Frenchmen "somewhat" unnerving...

Thirdly, during session, French troops were at a level of around 500-600k from what I gathered (might have been some double- or miscounting). Substantially more than Austria could field in total, of which a significant part was confined to Hungary for obvious reasons.

Fourthly, since my leaders now were the best I ever had (except for Eugen) and ever will have, and the first already DID die of old age.. I began to get somewhat frightened, especially when mister 4/5/7 or something was announced..

Fifthly, France had been threatening Austria for quite some time recently (Alsace, Maria Theresa, second war vs. Otto's) adn thus I saw this as an opportunity to atleast delay French ambitions (Alsace is quite a good province, actually )

But most important of all: I underestimated the strength of my morale and leaders (most striking: Von Daun (4/5/6 I think) with some 80k troops was in Lyonnais when some 150k Frenchmen started to move towards Savoy, at this point, I gave up on von Daun, but moved him to Savoy in hopes that he *might* just survive.. imagine my surprise when he won the battle and gave the French a run for their money)
 

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I could post a lot more about last session, but I won't. I also ask all else NOT to go into discussion about it anymore. (atleast not on these boards, only via ICQ please)

It leads nowhere, and it just causes hard feelings and/or misunderstandings.
 

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re-report military data Barns? :)


and a complete history of all wars would be VERY much appreciated :D
 

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Also, just cheched the threads in this forums... we MUST overtake Europe Unleashed: Reloaded in number of posts, to complete the symmetry (1st is Machiavelli, 2nd is Machi2, third now EU:R, and this thread is #4)
 

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I'd rather not be GM thank you :)

postponing: anything to have Barns in, and have him compile war data :D
[more seriously though.. I think it would be best if Barnius plays England all the way, esp. now that we're so close to the end]