Machiavelli III: From Dawn to Decadence

[devil]

Edits to be done so far: ( can't remember all, will update throughout the week)

BB->prussia deal.
spawn von schwerin to prussia.
dk/swe punishment for violation of rules.
helvatica forts reduced to medium
some TC removed, (bad edit) barns provide ID
fort reduced in venetian colonies.
Oklahoma to france from spain
persia embargo lifted for venice.
poland compensated for shipyard. (AI)
English-Dutch peace deal.

 

[ForzaA]

BRA annexed 4 provinces without the consent of the Emperor, and surely the emperor would have responded at the first annexation.... so only wurzburg seems like a little marginal.
Also, Devil, if you triggered the BRA-PRU event from the console, did you remember to put it in the history (otherwise the follow ups will not trigger, I think, or are they dependent on another event and not on the actual BRA becomes PRU?)

Furthermore, I understand, OOCly, why Prussia needs to be there, but ICly there's no reason at all (since they abandoned Prussia mostly willingly)

 

[unmerged(10146)]

I see BB>Prussia as:
- incentive for new player to play
- punnishment for Sweden and Denmark for...walhing on the thin line when DOWing Poland

 

[devil]

BRA annexed 4 provinces without the consent of the Emperor, and surely the emperor would have responded at the first annexation.... so only wurzburg seems like a little marginal.
Also, Devil, if you triggered the BRA-PRU event from the console, did you remember to put it in the history (otherwise the follow ups will not trigger, I think, or are they dependent on another event and not on the actual BRA becomes PRU?)

Furthermore, I understand, OOCly, why Prussia needs to be there, but ICly there's no reason at all (since they abandoned Prussia mostly willingly)

Just to remind you I haven't done anything yet, I am waiting till we can talk about it on icq. Cause surely the emperor would be allowed to respond. Also the 3524 event doesn't trigger anything, the event you are thinking about comes a bit later, don't worry I have allready tested it and it works

Yes I was thinking about the whole deal with prussia, but since bb had the inheritance of prussia event allready I see no problem why they can't become prussia. I know they don't own the prov, but they can surely claim it. and ooc. it is a good incentive for dago to join.

 

[devil]

I see BB>Prussia as:
- incentive for new player to play
- punnishment for Sweden and Denmark for...walhing on the thin line when DOWing Poland

They crossed the line, no doubt about it... And hence they will be punished... Let this be a lesson again remember to RP! and again I can remind people Good RP in the AAR can result in cb's edited in game.

 

[patoche34]

The defected province was Oklahoma.
To be given back to France

Edits to be done so far: ( can't remember all, will update throughout the week)

1 defected french prov in NA to france from spain

 

[devil]

The defected province was Oklahoma.
To be given back to France

thx patoche, I couldn't remember which it was

 

[juv95hrn]

Also a random large fort should be edited back to medium in the Venetian colonies.

 

[devil]

Also a random large fort should be edited back to medium in the Venetian colonies.

allright juv I forgot that thx for mentioning.

 

[unmerged(15723)]

allright juv I forgot that thx for mentioning.

Bosnia also got a large fort due to random event. I am supposed two pay double fee in order to keep it? Not sure I have the cash but I'd like to keep it.

 

[ForzaA]

Just to remind you I haven't done anything yet, I am waiting till we can talk about it on icq. Cause surely the emperor would be allowed to respond. Also the 3524 event doesn't trigger anything, the event you are thinking about comes a bit later, don't worry I have allready tested it and it works

Yes I was thinking about the whole deal with prussia, but since bb had the inheritance of prussia event allready I see no problem why they can't become prussia. I know they don't own the prov, but they can surely claim it. and ooc. it is a good incentive for dago to join.

Actually Friedrich I. was never called "king of prussia". His title was "king in Prussia": Most of Friedrich's territories were part of the "Holy Roman Empire of German Nation". And this country had a Habsburg king. Habsburg was mighty and Brandenburg/Prussia was small and poor. So Friedrich could not leave the Roman Empire and start a Brandenburg kingdom of his own. Finally the Kurfürst (elector) of Brandenburg convinced the German king to allow him to become king of Prussia which had never belonged to the "Holy Roman Empire of German Nation". To indicate that Friedrich's royalty was limited to Prussia and did not reduce the rights of the German king in Friedrich's German territories, he had to call himself "king in prussia".

thus my concern, but I won't protest too much

 

[Damocles]

As GM I very much agree, and you can be sure I am thinking of a proper punishment for denmark and sweden...

This was a clear violation of the rules, for damo and fred I will just quote myself, from yesterday!!!

Meh. We only had a few short months because of how long Denmark's CB would last. And I did give my demands to Russia who was the head of the alliance.

 

[devil]

Bosnia also got a large fort due to random event. I am supposed two pay double fee in order to keep it? Not sure I have the cash but I'd like to keep it.

allright, if you don't have the cash france might be able to lend/give some

 

[devil]

Since some have a very bad memory, I will post this between every session so people will remember it!!!

New Quick Guide to the Rules:
For Handy Reference and Subs

-No more than three European provinces in peace deals for coreligionists
-Colonies may not be taken in a European war until 1750
-No diplo-annexations (except where specified in the rules)
-A nation at -3 stab must accept the next stab-hitting peace offer, unless GM deems nation/alliance is making a comeback
-Galleys are restricted to the Baltic, Arabian coast and Mediterranean
-Han, Japanese and Cantonese culture provinces are off-limits until 1750
-Forts over medium cost three times their in-game price to build
-GM must be informed of all wars colonial or european including their goals, before war is declared.
-All wars must be RP'ed, hence diplomacy before any act of war is required. If a RP is not deemed acceptable by the GM, the war will be considered invalid, and white peace will be force signed.

Breaking a rule results in punishment, repeated violations will result in extreme punishments!

 

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European Naval Powers in 1724​

Country          Ships

England            400
Sweden             314
Venice             236
Holland            192
France             192
Portugal           170
Denmark            119
Ottomans Empire    118

Let’s start from the largest problems…

• Sweden, far too superior in land combat and the second largest naval power, is advised to reconstruct her navy. She can use the wood from 314 warships for up to 100 galleys; if anything is left, we hear winters are cold up there...
• Holland will hopefully remain under half the size of the English navy. Also, England hereby offers to start negotiations with Holland regarding our future relations. We are ready to close both eyes on Dutch Australia.
• France should reduce her navy to 150 ships.
• Portugal is viewed as a friendly nation… although we are a bit confused with their constant mentioning of our island of Tierra del Fuego…
• As long as she is not included in any evil Swedish plans, England doesn’t have grievances against Denmark, although there is that trade problem… We are very upset seeing that for centuries now English American colonies were treading in Danish COT… And now English Asian colonies are forced to trade in Danish Malacca… England hereby offers to buy Malacca from Denmark.
• Ottoman Empire is regarded a friendly nation ever since the historical agreement regarding India and mutual understanding regarding trade.

 

[devil]

French navy will number 210 before end of next year !

 

[unmerged(11216)]

French navy will number 210 before end of next year !

And the dutch has just lost alot in the colonial war, but can easily be rebuilt, so I dont think then the dutch fleet will stay half english(nor shouldnt it). Combined with the french navy and a bit hyperteching, the english might have to stay cool a while, I wouldnt make to much demands if I were you barn

 

[devil]

And the dutch has just lost alot in the colonial war, but can easily be rebuilt, so I dont think then the dutch fleet will stay half english(nor shouldnt it). Combined with the french navy and a bit hyperteching, the english might have to stay cool a while, I wouldnt make to much demands if I were you barn

Very True

 

[Fredrik82]

[*] As long as she is not included in any evil Swedish plans, England doesn’t have grievances against Denmark, although there is that trade problem… We are very upset seeing that for centuries now English American colonies were treading in Danish COT… And now English Asian colonies are forced to trade in Danish Malacca… England hereby offers to buy Malacca from Denmark.

I don't think he English king should gain more enemies then he got, so the Danish king will just ignore this. And the Danish king does of course expect an apology from the English king.
Let me ask you, have the Danes ever forbid you to trade in our COTs? Have the Danes ever violated the NA agreement?
England have always been considered as neutral friends and it's unfortunate to se that the English king is throwing this away.
We will protect our interests with blood, the Danes will never bow for any threats.

 

[unmerged(5834)]

Portugal is viewed as a friendly nation… although we are a bit confused with their constant mentioning of our island of Tierra del Fuego…

Beautiful english name for a beautiful english island. You should rename it to "fireland" maybe