Machiavelli III (beta discussions)

[unmerged(10146)]

What say for simplicities sake we just say only two player countries (no limit on ai) can be officially allied and three can be allied during times of war but have to immediately leave the alliance once the conflicts over. Sound workable? Would keep the alliances at least a bit smaller and allow for giving a bit of extra protection if needed for some of the smaller countries.

But how did you intend "three can be allied during times of war" to work?
I suppose we should have a definition of the "time of war" for that.
Did you have in mind the situation like one currenlty unallied country, or country leaving her alliance (-1 stab) because of a particular war joining the two-player alliance when there already IS a war?

 

[Wyvern]

But how did you intend "three can be allied during times of war" to work?
I suppose we should have a definition of the "time of war" for that.
Did you have in mind the situation like one currenlty unallied country, or country leaving her alliance (-1 stab) because of a particular war joining the two-player alliance when there already IS a war?

Yes that's what I had in mind, and so yes they'd likely have to suffer a stab hit if they were in a current alliance at the time.

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Once the war is over, would the intervening country be allowed to stay in the alliance until it naturally expires (10 years after peace has been made)? I think of it as "guarding the peace", where a renewed declaration of war by the aggressor country would automatically include the other ally unless 10 years have passed since the last war ended.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Once the war is over, would the intervening country be allowed to stay in the alliance until it naturally expires (10 years after peace has been made)? I think of it as "guarding the peace", where a renewed declaration of war by the aggressor country would automatically include the other ally unless 10 years have passed since the last war ended.

Without that, joining the alliance in an ongoing war for unallied country would mean -1 stab and for a country already a member of a third alliance -2 stab. Perhaps we want to keep it like that to encourage limited wars? So third country in the war would have to pay at least -1 stab.

But than again, most countres would just DOW without a CB and with their own alliance also for -2 stab, or even for 0 stab if a member of alliance has CB

 

[LouisSteColombe]

I am not sure I'd like a situation where, for example, Spain would dow (with CB) Netherland and France (with no CB on Netherland) would grab the provinces... If you want something pay at least the stab price.

Quite simply, the DOWER shall the be the GRABBER. If after a war there is any province transfert, the 1 st and 2nd provinces shall go to the DOWER from the country DOWED. The 3rd province can be given to whoever in the alliance.

If the alliance DOWED win... then they can do as they want...

In this case, if France really want some provinces from Netherland, they need to make a separate peace... How Spain would appreciate, and how the DOWED alliance would retaliate on the remaining DOWER is another story...

Louis,

 

[unmerged(11031)]

So an unalligned country can't declare war on one of a nations in a war? He has to be part of the alliance already fighting?

 

[ForzaA]

Quite simply, the DOWER shall the be the GRABBER. If after a war there is any province transfert, the 1 st and 2nd provinces shall go to the DOWER from the country DOWED. The 3rd province can be given to whoever in the alliance.

this sounds OK, although I think it should only be the first (otherwise, it only promotes full war as opposed to shorter, smaller scale, conflict) ,OTOH it might lead to the defenders only focussing on preventing the original DoWer from capturing provinces.. but all in all I think it's an idea to consider

 

[Wyvern]

I am not sure I'd like a situation where, for example, Spain would dow (with CB) Netherland and France (with no CB on Netherland) would grab the provinces... If you want something pay at least the stab price.

Quite simply, the DOWER shall the be the GRABBER. If after a war there is any province transfert, the 1 st and 2nd provinces shall go to the DOWER from the country DOWED. The 3rd province can be given to whoever in the alliance.

If the alliance DOWED win... then they can do as they want...

In this case, if France really want some provinces from Netherland, they need to make a separate peace... How Spain would appreciate, and how the DOWED alliance would retaliate on the remaining DOWER is another story...

Louis,

No don't like it. Would get too messy to administer.

 

[Damocles]

So who is who at the moment? I know I'm Venice.

 

[HolisticGod]

I'm Russia, apparently... I know Gary is the OE and Attila is Spain.

Not sure about the rest.

 

[ForzaA]

Wyvern-Ottomans
Devil-Brandenburg
Mnorrefelt-Poland
Holistic God-Russia
Damocles-Venice
Attila-Spain
Mulliman-France
Barnius-England
ForzaA-Austria

AFAIK, though I'm still hoping i can be OE [just kidding Wyvern, I'll get the same territory anyway ]

 

[HolisticGod]

Forza,

I strongly feel I'm ahead of you in line for the Ottomans.

Wonder who's playing Sweden...

 

[Wyvern]

Ok I've been badgered the last few days to assign countries for Mach3 so here goes on the full listing:

England - Barnius
France - Mulliman
Spain - Attila
Portugal - Robertus
Venice - Damocles
Austria - Forzaa
Brandenburg - devil
Denmark - Slargos
Sweden - Onslaught
Poland - mnorrefeldt
Russia - HolisticGod
Ottomans - Wyvern

Have fun.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

OK, Robertus, I hope you are somewhat better in naval combat than in land

 

[HolisticGod]

Barni,

Comments from you on land warfare are hilarious...

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Barni,

Comments from you on land warfare are hilarious...

I know In fact, you could even leave out "land" in your statement

 

[ForzaA]

hurrah!!


looks like fun

but ehm... I don't see Peter E. , he stops?

 

[Wyvern]

Ok somehow I screwed up and missed Aldo from the player list despite him being amongst the first group to sign up. So either we start with a thirteenth player which I'm not keen on or we have to drop one of the new signups which I'm also not keen on .

 

[HolisticGod]

Gary,

Mughals, baby...

 

[Wyvern]

Gary,

Mughals, baby...

Mughals could well be the way to go, then if anyone leaves Aldo can move to that position.