Originally posted by TheArchduke
And the probability of a discovery is way too big.
That too...Tho, perhaps they could travel in covered wagons.
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That too...Tho, perhaps they could travel in covered wagons.
Originally posted by Barnius
I know the feeling
France has the benefit of military access to Portuguese territory since that misfortunate civil war.
Austria got it for a bit of exploration of African coast. Uncolonised west African coast I assumed, so only to pass those few Portuguese TPs...
Little did we hope to see their conquistadors happily marching TOGEATHER through Zimbabwe mountains
But what could have little Portugal done against that? Very little at the moment, but we don't look kindly upon that
It is possibly, one of the most violating feelings ever. So you can see how pissed I was at Ryoken, happily making his way to every single siberian province I had, then acting like he didn't realize why I cared while still doing it, until I finally broke alliance, took away access and dowed his ass...Only to have France from across Europe leap to the rescue
Originally posted by Damocles
It is possibly, one of the most violating feelings ever. So you can see how pissed I was at Ryoken, happily making his way to every single siberian province I had, then acting like he didn't realize why I cared while still doing it, until I finally broke alliance, took away access and dowed his ass...Only to have France from across Europe leap to the rescue
and holland and sweden and just about everybody else....
I remember that war very clearly too!
Originally posted by Damocles
It is possibly, one of the most violating feelings ever. So you can see how pissed I was at Ryoken, happily making his way to every single siberian province I had, then acting like he didn't realize why I cared while still doing it, until I finally broke alliance, took away access and dowed his ass...Only to have France from across Europe leap to the rescue
Indeed, my first thought was "what a disaster!", but than I calmed down and said to myself: "Let it be! All for the benefit of colonial competition, even if it's Austria! Or France. They will still need a navy..."
I can´t gurantee for Spain helping Portugal in a colonial war( through ships and troops overseas only) but Austria surely has no interest in fighting Holland overseas. Problem is I had to dishonour then.
CB and related stability loss is IMO one of the main problems when considering a colonial war.
The best solution would be Declaration of Colonial War incorporated in the game, where gains would be possible only out of Europe, but wouldn't cost stablilty for lacking CB or being the same religion, ... Only breaking the truce should cause stablilty loss.
But back to reality
How to resolve this CB issue? Perhaps editing stability loss back after the session?
The best solution would be Declaration of Colonial War incorporated in the game, where gains would be possible only out of Europe, but wouldn't cost stablilty for lacking CB or being the same religion, ... Only breaking the truce should cause stablilty loss.
But back to reality
How to resolve this CB issue? Perhaps editing stability loss back after the session?
slight miscommunication between me and Gulliver i guess
the idea was that IF the folowing conditions were met, HESSEN* could be attempted to be "re"gained:
1. a war in the style of the TYW, ie. a war along the religious divide (Sweden, England, Holland, protestant germans vs Austria & catholic germans
2. Hessen* under Catholic rule.
3. A fair chance that the territory could be aquired
However, Gulliver apparantly took the order as "take Hessen* at all costs"....
* Hessen being the EU2 province in/around the Nassau territories
BTW. how did Brandenburg end up Catholic? Force Convert?
I admit i have thought about leaving, its the first thing a human thinks about: How can i get out of this thing that troubles/bores/etc etc me.
Ill stay anyway, but you wont see much of OE on the international stage as ill be busy trying to keep my head up in the tech raise (if im switched to Muslim culture that is).
If you could promise it would be the opposite in case you keep Orthodox, I would vote for leaving it as it is
Yep, in a smashing defeat in some months, Brandenburg reverted to the true faith and hopefully stays that way. Else Austria would have to reconsider the Munster question.
Because Russia and Poland decided the start of the 30yw would be a great time to attack Sweden, thus taking half of the protestant armies out of the equation along with Gustav. Denmark wisely decided that the war was lost before it had begun, and dropped out. Brandenburg alone was easy pickings for Austria.
And that's the way the protestant crumbles.
And that's the way the protestant crumbles.
Originally posted by kurtbrian
Bugger I hoped I was the only one playing a catholic Brandenburg...
He has yet to begin converting, he doesn´t seem very inclined, too.
What do you people say about only allowing Force converting, AI converting and converting through events in Mach III? Converting pagans and muslim Steppe provinces would be allowed also.
I must say I don't understand exactly what is the point and what we are getting with this
o Could you instead state what is forbidden?
Originally posted by Barnius
I must say I don't understand exactly what is the point and what we are getting with this
Could you instead state what is forbidden?
What would be forbidden is to use missionaries to convert provinces (except pagan provinces and muslim steppe provinces).
The point would be to reflect that people didn't change faith due to their rulers effort but due to other things (new ideas and creations of new beliefs) or not at all. I'm no expert in the field but as fas as I know few nations was religious homogenous and you would have to live with to have two or more different religions within your nation.
This is just an idea. I really do think that the Emperor for example should be able to enforce the Catholic faith upon the Princes in the north but to actually convert the people of northern Germany? I think not.
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It sounds correct.
But we have to assess what kind of influence would that have on the "simulation of history with EU 2 model", or the game, if you prefer, although IMO it's much more than just a game
Not allowing conversions of provinces (except in the cases you mentioned) would make serious problems for OE.
It would also disencourage colonial wars, because people wouldn't want "that religion" provinces (you can manage up to 3 religions with considerable troubles, more is just too much).
Missionaries cost money and we need all possible ways to spend money - I would like in the end of Mach 2 we not to have a single nation with all techs maximised. Although PTC will not harm herself deliberatelly too much - you have to help me here
.Maybe more exceptions would be appropriate. Or maybe forbid it only for Christian faiths and nations in Europe. That would solve all the problems you mentioned Barnius. Smaller nations would likely have bigger chances to survive as it would not be so profitable to annex them if they had wrong religion.
Not sure if the tech levels would be "teched out" in such an extent. Income and stability should suffer some from this I figure.
Anyway, this has troubled me some and all I ask is for it to be discussed. I won't whine if it won't be implemented.
Not sure if the tech levels would be "teched out" in such an extent. Income and stability should suffer some from this I figure.
Anyway, this has troubled me some and all I ask is for it to be discussed. I won't whine if it won't be implemented.