Originally posted by Aldo
Keep in mind that Poland/Damocles recieved 4000 ducats for supporting Spain.
Its an honest opinion!
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Its an honest opinion!
Nothing wrong with breaking a deal Kurtbrian, that's not what Slargos is on about. Portugal stabbed Spain and France and joined the England/Dutch alliance knowing that even if his side lost the war he wouldn't risk losing any territory because France and Spain were after Dutch land and he'd be saved by the 3 prov rule. Still I'm too close to the issue to judge impartially on it so we can't change for this war.
I suggest Slargos we just take a couple provinces off the Dutch this war and that you take one off Portugal. We don't violate any three province rule and the Portuguese backstab can be avenged later with righteous justice!!
I suggest Slargos we just take a couple provinces off the Dutch this war and that you take one off Portugal. We don't violate any three province rule and the Portuguese backstab can be avenged later with righteous justice!!
but I thought the 3province rule didn't apply outside europe?
or was that only in machI??
or was that only in machI??
Originally posted by Wyvern
Nothing wrong with breaking a deal Kurtbrian, that's not what Slargos is on about. Portugal stabbed Spain and France and joined the England/Dutch alliance knowing that even if his side lost the war he wouldn't risk losing any territory because France and Spain were after Dutch land and he'd be saved by the 3 prov rule. Still I'm too close to the issue to judge impartially on it so we can't change for this war.
I suggest Slargos we just take a couple provinces off the Dutch this war and that you take one off Portugal. We don't violate any three province rule and the Portuguese backstab can be avenged later with righteous justice!!
I don't see what needs to be judged. Portugal joining the alliance constituted a clear declaration of war on Spain of it's own volition, and should be treated seperately.
If that were his motives. Though, I doubt Barnius would make such a coldhearted decision. I am sure he agrees fully, because he only joined for the righteousness of his cause, the consequences be buggered.
By that logic, any nation joining an alliance already at war should be considered an opportunist trying to avoid the 3 province rule rather than a nation joining in the cause of those already at war. I dislike imputing others such motives, Wyvern, and I guess you do as well - so don't do it.
So long as we work with alliance structures, dynamic entering and leaving of alliances must be possible.
Where are your charts Barny? Im looking forward to seeing the OE wealth, considering those wooonderful years of no trade competition!!
I guess I was imputing motive where none may exist, my apologies - you see I am too close to the issue like I said. Anyway I also said for that very reason nothing would be changed and the three province rule stands for the war.
And Yes I do dislike others imputing similar invalid motives on me as has happened!!
I just wanted to say, that despite what everyone think the 45k danish troops were most helpufl during the entire war. I think that more than one they tipped the balance in our favor. without them i don't think the war would have lasted
so thanks Aldo, the Dutch people really appreciate what you've done for them!
so thanks Aldo, the Dutch people really appreciate what you've done for them!
With regards the questioning of the motives for abandoning the prosecution of the war against the Franco-Spanish alliance the whole of the nation was stunned by the Emperor's peace settlement with France. With the Imperial title comes heavy responsibility and seeing through a united cause though with fragmented alliance should be the Emperors number one priority.
Venice just could not imagine that Holland was being left to its fate with the Austrian peace so imediately imposed terms while the situation was favourable on Spain in case it found itself alone against a mighty coalition.
Any charge of opportunism is strongly refuted as it was hardly the most certain of prospects for advancement when Venice entered the war though by brave and aggressive action and good fortune a great victory was won.
Venice just could not imagine that Holland was being left to its fate with the Austrian peace so imediately imposed terms while the situation was favourable on Spain in case it found itself alone against a mighty coalition.
Any charge of opportunism is strongly refuted as it was hardly the most certain of prospects for advancement when Venice entered the war though by brave and aggressive action and good fortune a great victory was won.
Oh dear... I am going to be buggered next round.
Lets see who I have annoyed
France
Spain
Poland
The Ottoman Empire
Holland
England
Portugal
Denmark
Russia
Venice (Possibly)
Erm... IS there anyone else left to annoy?
Lets see who I have annoyed
France
Spain
Poland
The Ottoman Empire
Holland
England
Portugal
Denmark
Russia
Venice (Possibly)
Erm... IS there anyone else left to annoy?
I won't be playing Holland in the future (just started a new job where 8pm is an early hour to leave work...), but I think Holland doesn't have any grief against AUstria. and even if she had, the Dutch people are a pacific one
Coming centuries will refer to it as the "1st Partitioning of Austria". With Poles seizing Bohemia, France reclaiming the Rhine, Venice occupying central Austria, and the Ottomans biting off chumps of Hungary - all in separate wars, it will truly be the opportunity of a lifetime for Leopold I to show his true strength.
Well maybe Denmark had more manpower than the painfully mismanaged (well before I showed up
) England but personally with 14k a year manpower and 0 mercenaries in the pool, I fail to see what really could be done when it took all my efforts to keep Holland and Portugal from being completely occupied. Certain limitations in the game are impossible to work around and having hideously low manpower when your enemy is France is one of them in my opinion.
While this is to a certain degree true, those nations should realise that it is partly because of their own choices. It is true that England will never match France for manpower, but it is also true that England, the Netherlands, and Denmark going naval and quality is not helping the matter much.
You can certainly argue that the fleet is England's true strength and should have priority, but it is a player choice which will skewer the odds even more in France's favour on land.
Oh of course Prof. But in the limitations of me stepping in as a sub with an england with 3300 stab, 30ish non-culture non religion provinces, and inno 9, my land and quality sliders were not concern #1. Certainly if I was running england from day 1 my sliders would be set much differently.
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Originally posted by Aldo
OOC: Denmark was forced to sent home their forces due to a second attack from Sweden during the session but after peacing out Sweden Danish armies successfully intervened and in cooperation with our brave allies pushed back French forces from Dutch lands and Spanish from Portugal (twice). Holland, England and Portugal certainly put more effort in this war but I believe Denmark did more "good" than Venice for example.
I have always had a problem with a need for acknowledgement and recognition for my efforts as you probably have noticed.
Indeed, Denmark, England and Venice helped in defense of Portugal. All three countries contributed signifficantly so I mentioned them alphabethically. Thanks again. Now please thank Portugal for generous funding even before Portugal joined Colonial Alliance
BTW, that is an official suggestion for the name of our alliance. I don't particularly like this separation on "Protestant" and "Latin" alliances - Portuguese people are confussed when they hear it